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18 minutes ago, eek said:

Apart from the boot (too small for a car 4.2m long) all reports say it's a decent car for the money (£25,000 or so).

Looks like  Vauxhall Adam with a BMW display screen and interesting badge. It will be interesting to see if Ora use the latest L.E.M.O.N technology on this model.

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12 hours ago, Straingone said:

Looks like  Vauxhall Adam with a BMW display screen and interesting badge. It will be interesting to see if Ora use the latest L.E.M.O.N technology on this model.

The thing I actually most liked about it in the video I watched was the use of proper buttons on the steering wheel - for reasons that to me are completely insane VW has moved to touch buttons everywhere.

As for L.E.M.O.N technology - on an EV car, it won't be the engine going wrong it will be the electrics and battery (if the battery isn't cared for properly) 

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German automotive industry sounding the death knells for transportation for the masses?

Mobility must not be the privilege of the rich, warns the German car industry

https://www.idnes.cz/auto/zpravodajstvi/hidlegard-muller-vda-autoprumysl-nemecko.A220116_201847_automoto_fdv

"Environmental protection must not divide society," says Hildegard Müller, president of the German Automobile Industry Association (VDA), in an interview with the German daily Bild, and warns of the consequences of rising petrol prices and delays in electromobility.

"In the debate on the right course, we should look for belonging and overcome old hostilities. The biggest transformation in the history of German industry awaits us, "comments Robert Habeck, one of the chairmen of the Green Party in the new government, comments on the debates he is leading with the German" superminister "for industry, energy and climate. According to Müller, the automotive industry is ready for change: “We want to prove that growth, prosperity, jobs and climate protection are not in conflict. Concerns are investing heavily in the redevelopment of their factories and plants, in digitization and alternative drives. I expect others to fulfill their tasks as well. "

However, the head of the German automotive association does not hide the fact that the debate on transport is extremely heated in Germany. "NGOs, which act as if they represent the whole of society, are getting the word out. In reality, however, they often argue from a very privileged perspective. It's kind of out of balance here - I'd like to warn you before that: protecting the environment must not split our society. "

According to Müller, there is often a lack of willingness to accept the different life circumstances of different groups of the population. "City dwellers must not dictate to people in the countryside how to live. Anyone who gets up early in the morning to open a store or sit at the cash register in a supermarket supports our company. We must not throw sticks at these people, they are entitled to drive their own cars, especially where there is not enough public transport options, "he explains, emphasizing that mobility must not be a privilege for the rich. 

"Rising fuel and energy prices are burdening lower-income people in particular," recalls the main task for the new German federal government. "High prices do not only burden citizens - they also represent a great disadvantage for German industry. There are 800,000 people working in the automotive industry alone, and we must not jeopardize these jobs. That would gamble on the well-being of our country."

"The explosion in electricity prices is also a consequence of the energy transition," Bild said. The so-called "Energiewende" - a complete transformation of German energy - energy should be primarily ecological, but also affordable. "If you want to have renewable energy, you must also be able to build it. However, our country is not moving forward at a sufficient pace in this construction. Infrastructure planning and approval takes too long - and due to the slow examination of objections and appeals, projects continue to be delayed and delayed, ”comments Müllerová, recalling that Germany has been several years behind in implementing its own plans.

"It simply came to our notice then. We need ecological electricity to make electromobility climate neutral. And a charging station. In principle, two thousand charging points would have to be created per week. In fact, there are only 300 of them. Politicians must build the speed of construction sevenfold. "

The head of the VDA does not allow the electric car revolution to collapse. "We take climate protection seriously and want to achieve climate-neutral mobility as quickly as possible. We are doing everything we can to ensure that Germany continues to produce the world's best, safest, most powerful, high-quality and, of course, climate-neutral vehicles in all segments. So the question is not whether we will manage the change, but how we will manage it. And now we all have to roll up our sleeves.”

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6 hours ago, The Generation Game said:

German automotive industry sounding the death knells for transportation for the masses?

Mobility must not be the privilege of the rich, warns the German car industry

https://www.idnes.cz/auto/zpravodajstvi/hidlegard-muller-vda-autoprumysl-nemecko.A220116_201847_automoto_fdv

"Environmental protection must not divide society," says Hildegard Müller, president of the German Automobile Industry Association (VDA), in an interview with the German daily Bild, and warns of the consequences of rising petrol prices and delays in electromobility.

"In the debate on the right course, we should look for belonging and overcome old hostilities. The biggest transformation in the history of German industry awaits us, "comments Robert Habeck, one of the chairmen of the Green Party in the new government, comments on the debates he is leading with the German" superminister "for industry, energy and climate. According to Müller, the automotive industry is ready for change: “We want to prove that growth, prosperity, jobs and climate protection are not in conflict. Concerns are investing heavily in the redevelopment of their factories and plants, in digitization and alternative drives. I expect others to fulfill their tasks as well. "

However, the head of the German automotive association does not hide the fact that the debate on transport is extremely heated in Germany. "NGOs, which act as if they represent the whole of society, are getting the word out. In reality, however, they often argue from a very privileged perspective. It's kind of out of balance here - I'd like to warn you before that: protecting the environment must not split our society. "

According to Müller, there is often a lack of willingness to accept the different life circumstances of different groups of the population. "City dwellers must not dictate to people in the countryside how to live. Anyone who gets up early in the morning to open a store or sit at the cash register in a supermarket supports our company. We must not throw sticks at these people, they are entitled to drive their own cars, especially where there is not enough public transport options, "he explains, emphasizing that mobility must not be a privilege for the rich. 

"Rising fuel and energy prices are burdening lower-income people in particular," recalls the main task for the new German federal government. "High prices do not only burden citizens - they also represent a great disadvantage for German industry. There are 800,000 people working in the automotive industry alone, and we must not jeopardize these jobs. That would gamble on the well-being of our country."

"The explosion in electricity prices is also a consequence of the energy transition," Bild said. The so-called "Energiewende" - a complete transformation of German energy - energy should be primarily ecological, but also affordable. "If you want to have renewable energy, you must also be able to build it. However, our country is not moving forward at a sufficient pace in this construction. Infrastructure planning and approval takes too long - and due to the slow examination of objections and appeals, projects continue to be delayed and delayed, ”comments Müllerová, recalling that Germany has been several years behind in implementing its own plans.

"It simply came to our notice then. We need ecological electricity to make electromobility climate neutral. And a charging station. In principle, two thousand charging points would have to be created per week. In fact, there are only 300 of them. Politicians must build the speed of construction sevenfold. "

The head of the VDA does not allow the electric car revolution to collapse. "We take climate protection seriously and want to achieve climate-neutral mobility as quickly as possible. We are doing everything we can to ensure that Germany continues to produce the world's best, safest, most powerful, high-quality and, of course, climate-neutral vehicles in all segments. So the question is not whether we will manage the change, but how we will manage it. And now we all have to roll up our sleeves.”

If there is more than one German automaker still trading in its own right in high volumes, and not as a Brand of Tesla, by 2040, i will be amazed. 

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13 hours ago, markyh said:

If there is more than one German automaker still trading in its own right in high volumes, and not as a Brand of Tesla, by 2040, i will be amazed. 

Would it be allowed under competition rules? VAG plus BMW is a third of European car production.

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16 minutes ago, markyh said:

And? They can still go bust and be bought out. 

Fair enough. We are therefore on course for Tesla to be the global car manufacturing monopoly if they are capable of sweeping the whole German auto industry aside in less than 2 decades.

 

For full disclosure, I do have shares in Tesla.

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15 minutes ago, Albo said:

Fair enough. We are therefore on course for Tesla to be the global car manufacturing monopoly if they are capable of sweeping the whole German auto industry aside in less than 2 decades.

 

For full disclosure, I do have shares in Tesla.

Me too, a big bag from 2016 bought for a few thousand, and moonshoot in the stock split, then i bought more straight after too,  under $600, no brainer. 

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On 08/11/2021 at 19:51, eek said:

Apart from the boot (too small for a car 4.2m long) all reports say it's a decent car for the money (£25,000 or so).

£25k for a fucking Micra copy? Should be £10k tops. Cars are over priced shit these days.

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