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Unvaccinated care staff - deadline


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Austin Allegro
2 hours ago, Chewing Grass said:

Was riding past some of those Poppies in Lampost in a little village near me, there were eight in a row with names and dates on them with one poor soul being killed on the 29/10/18, I wondered how long he had been on 'the front' before he got unlucky...

The war poet Wilfred Owen was killed a week before the Armistice. Oddly enough one of his last poems was about the war lasting forever.

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1 hour ago, Austin Allegro said:

The war poet Wilfred Owen was killed a week before the Armistice. Oddly enough one of his last poems was about the war lasting forever.

For him it did

 

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15 hours ago, Austin Allegro said:

The war poet Wilfred Owen was killed a week before the Armistice. Oddly enough one of his last poems was about the war lasting forever.

One of my mates still lives on Wilfred Owen Drive in Birkenhead. A hidden part of the cuntry.

There's a number of care homes near me which I will keep an eye on for closures. Etc.

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honkydonkey
18 hours ago, One percent said:

It would have been expensive. We would also have to drive on the wrong side of the road 

And drive German rather than British cars. 

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Snake Plissken
On 11/11/2021 at 21:09, Battenberg said:

I know it sounds harsh but I really don’t understand why we’re so obsessed with keeping all the old and sick alive especially at the cost to the young and working.

Government policy by sending the covid infected back to the care homes killed thousands of elderly. Let alone the DNR and the midazolam. They have not been protecting the elderly. Its all about getting people vaccinated, picking off groups at a time.

Don't fall for the divide and conquer.

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2 minutes ago, Snake Plissken said:

Government policy by sending the covid infected back to the care homes killed thousands of elderly. Let alone the DNR and the midazolam. They have not been protecting the elderly. Its all about getting people vaccinated, picking off groups at a time.

Don't fall for the divide and conquer.

Hold The Line

 

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King Penda
1 hour ago, honkydonkey said:

And drive German rather than British cars. 

I’ve never owned a real German car I doubt my Opel was realy built there but I could be badly wrong

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stop_the_craziness
16 hours ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

One of the many "what is this really all about?" theories that constantly swirl about my head is that they are trying to deal with the problem of too many people already being too old and not showing any sign of dying soon and thus breaking the pension system, care system and housing situation.  This sort of crisis achieves the sort of mass withdrawal-of-care that could never be achieved via any other policy because the backlash against the government would be too great.  But this is their perfect get-out-of-jail free card because the policy that is causing the crisis is supported by the majority of the electorate.

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24 minutes ago, stop_the_craziness said:

One of the many "what is this really all about?" theories that constantly swirl about my head is that they are trying to deal with the problem of too many people already being too old and not showing any sign of dying soon and thus breaking the pension system, care system and housing situation.  This sort of crisis achieves the sort of mass withdrawal-of-care that could never be achieved via any other policy because the backlash against the government would be too great.  But this is their perfect get-out-of-jail free card because the policy that is causing the crisis is supported by the majority of the electorate.

I agree. As much as I hate being lied to constantly, I cannot imagine an easier way they could have possibly rolled the cull out. 

Shame about all the collateral damage, when healthy people become frail due to the side effects. 

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3 hours ago, stop_the_craziness said:

One of the many "what is this really all about?" theories that constantly swirl about my head is that they are trying to deal with the problem of too many people already being too old and not showing any sign of dying soon and thus breaking the pension system, care system and housing situation.  This sort of crisis achieves the sort of mass withdrawal-of-care that could never be achieved via any other policy because the backlash against the government would be too great.  But this is their perfect get-out-of-jail free card because the policy that is causing the crisis is supported by the majority of the electorate.

An elderly person care home in my locality that was deemed short in providing adequate care after inspection has had no offers to take it over so will close permanently.

I’m in my autumn years and can recall not so long ago a time when large houses, hotels were converted for elderly care plus a lot of building bespoke facilities. Money to made back then.

The tide has turned!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-59402753

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One percent
3 hours ago, stop_the_craziness said:

One of the many "what is this really all about?" theories that constantly swirl about my head is that they are trying to deal with the problem of too many people already being too old and not showing any sign of dying soon and thus breaking the pension system, care system and housing situation.  This sort of crisis achieves the sort of mass withdrawal-of-care that could never be achieved via any other policy because the backlash against the government would be too great.  But this is their perfect get-out-of-jail free card because the policy that is causing the crisis is supported by the majority of the electorate.

If we weren’t importing massive numbers of unemployable turd worlders, we might be able to support the elderly who by and large have contributed significant amounts over their working lives 

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The Grey Man

Yesterday, yet another specialist social worker got me talking. Not for quitting and changing her job though. Up for a fight. She spent her teens in a care home and has dragged herself up in life.

There is a thing about this. Once you identify those folk who know there is something wrong with the country we live in today, they start to talk. Then talk again next time. As always, you are not alone. There is no free speech now, her words, not mine.

I think the last 6 weeks I have met one senior social/health care worker a week who is saying no. Not the vaccine, the whole show. They are careful though and the ground work this last 12 months has them talking to me.

Her words. Very little prompts today. In fact I did not open the conversation.

She brought up the joke of non mandatory NHS vaccines..or you are sacked. A slight hint from me and off she went...why if many doubt the sincerity of the government...and this was labelled as all MPs of all parties, was COVID sacrosanct.  Any policy discussion verbotten. The rest of it fine and dandy.

She is double jabbed. Wasn't keen on a third. I never asked why, her business.

Although far from a Union man (prefer being a pirate and taking responsibility for my own misdeeds) I did ask her what the Unions would be doing about her and others annoyance on jab or no job, by the way it is not mandatory tactic. Notably as April 2022 approaches.

She was annoyed. Not with me mind.

We finished about the mess of the NHS. How limited GP appointments added to the strain, the massive cut in beds the last 11 years (I reminded her Liberals were involved in that back in the day) the fact there has been close on two years of this and yet it still called an emergency in the NHS. To finish...her point raised about defacto forced third jabs (for her) or lose her job, along with the threat to care workers and the inevitable knock on effect for the bed blocker situation for elderly in hospital beds for acute admissions. No care workers..no care homes. No discharges. The very bed crisis Klingon is whining about and using the current equity card of cry COVID.

Respect your NHS! His cry last week on Twatter.

There might be an up tick in shoppers with masks at present (observation).

There is for sure an uptick in those with potential influence, with their own views, that dont fit the narrative. I hope they have the confidence to talk.

And, today, she was pretty sussed about an impotent media. Aware of the blanks in the news about care homes that, she, from experience, sees in action.

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King Penda
8 hours ago, Bear Hug said:

I agree. As much as I hate being lied to constantly, I cannot imagine an easier way they could have possibly rolled the cull out. 

Shame about all the collateral damage, when healthy people become frail due to the side effects. 

The Jews would not wipe themselves out well not until

they had killed 95% of the world’s Muslims 

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King Penda
5 hours ago, One percent said:

If we weren’t importing massive numbers of unemployable turd worlders, we might be able to support the elderly who by and large have contributed significant amounts over their working lives 

Not realy true my dad might of worked from

14/15 till he was 55 when he took early retirement from jcb but it’s not true of my mum worked from 15 /22 ish then part time for 15 /20 years ie 20 hours a week .they retired he owned 3 houses he died they used them to fund a very nice caravan at Martin meer at Blackpool there were originally about 12 couples they had the time of there life’s drinking together all new caravans newly retired would stay there for 6 months at a time .has far has I know only 3 are left alive or are with it mentally one is my mum there’s no way I can match what they did basicly 

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/06/care-home-in-kent-gives-families-10-hours-notice-of-closure

The care home had a CQC inspection 24th/28th October. Note this is before the November mandate for jabs (and then the subsquent quiet bactrack with self certification).

Abruptly closed. The initial 28 day warning of closure down to just 4 days.

"Standards collapsed so quickly at a severely short-staffed care home that families were given just 10 hours’ notice of its final closure triggering a desperate scramble to find new homes for traumatised residents, the Guardian has learned.

Berkeley House in Kent looked after adults with severe learning difficulties and autism but, five weeks ago, its operator suddenly decided it could no longer provide safe care and families were informed at 7.30am that their loved ones would have to leave by 5pm, a move branded “inhumane” by one family. Only four days earlier, families had been told by the operators the move would happen after 28 days."

And the reason was cited as lack of staff.

"The operator, Achieve Together, blamed the collapse on severe staff shortages, a problem threatening care nationwide. It said that “due to our inability to recruit and retain staff we were unable to continue to provide a good standard of care”, and it decided to close the home."

The article cites one father on the staffing issue but avoids the elephant in the room re:mandatory COVID vaccines.

“It’s just ludicrous,” his father, Paul Green, said. “It highlights the fact that the governance of these organisations is not to do with the care of the people. Their priorities seem all wrong. In terms of caring for the people, I think they are more interested in the property values.”

"He said he did not accept the argument that staff shortages were the problem, saying the problem was the care company was not paying enough to attract recruits."

The punchline from the Government; help is on its way. The elephant is now dressed in drag, tooting Christmas tunes and is still not mentioned.

"A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Social Care highlighted the announcement last week of the adult social care white paper, a ten year plan, they said was “a bold and significant step in delivering a world-leading social care system”.

“We will invest at least £500 million to develop and support the care workforce as part of our additional £5.4 billion investment over three years, which will allow us to build our comprehensive adult social care reform programme,” they said. “Care homes and home care providers are already benefiting from the new £162.5 million workforce retention and recruitment fund to assist local authorities and care providers in working together to ease workforce pressures in a variety of ways”.

I would add I do not think there is a sole cause for the closure, however not to mention mandatory vaccinations in a meaningful way, is misrepresenting the situation. Quelle surprise.

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Anecdotal from literally five minutes ago.  Friend of mine is trying to get her father into a care home (vascular dementia).  They had two or three lined up where they were in the process of sending in his requirements for assessment by the care home and scheduling visits.  Suddenly they have all said they have no vacancies.

I explained about the 24th December deadline for the unvaccinated staff and said maybe the care homes are being extra careful that they don't accept any new admissions (especially ones who could potentially be high dependency) when they aren't getting any clarity from the government on whether all their unvaccinated staff will have to stop working after the 24th December deadline.

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Chewing Grass
6 minutes ago, stop_the_craziness said:

Anecdotal from literally five minutes ago.  Friend of mine is trying to get her father into a care home (vascular dementia).  They had two or three lined up where they were in the process of sending in his requirements for assessment by the care home and scheduling visits.  Suddenly they have all said they have no vacancies.

I explained about the 24th December deadline for the unvaccinated staff and said maybe the care homes are being extra careful that they don't accept any new admissions (especially ones who could potentially be high dependency) when they aren't getting any clarity from the government on whether all their unvaccinated staff will have to stop working after the 24th December deadline.

Plus there is the issue of vaccine escape and importing 'the thing' with 'new patients'.

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Chewing Grass

It would actually be quite a good strategy to avert risk by shutting down before you have to get rid of the dead bodies and all the government induced hassle that goes with it and reopen in the Spring, no need to buy a tree, decorate or entertain etc is a bonus as you 'close for refurbishment'.

Costs wise 'December/January/February' are for huge losses, especially as energy costs have gone through the roof on draughty old piles.

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