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Noam Chomsky moment


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Turned Out Nice Again

After alerting a mate of mine to this now infamous interview, he came back after a while and said he pretty-much agreed with Chomsky on everything. "That's their problem".

Presumably, his consent has been successfully manufactured.

 

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15 minutes ago, Turned Out Nice Again said:

After alerting a mate of mine to this now infamous interview, he came back after a while and said he pretty-much agreed with Chomsky on everything. "That's their problem".

Presumably, his consent has been successfully manufactured.

 

Ask your friend how would this be done and enforced.  Active segregation and enforcement of segregation?  Maybe differential treatment,  sticking people into some sort of accommodation/ area.  Then you'd have to identify them,  like some armband would be handy eh.  Never been done before. 

Ask him this question how it would happen,  how would such an apartheid system be implemented 

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2 hours ago, Turned Out Nice Again said:

After alerting a mate of mine to this now infamous interview, he came back after a while and said he pretty-much agreed with Chomsky on everything. "That's their problem".

Presumably, his consent has been successfully manufactured.

 

Like most problems, this goes back to the French.

If you look at Rousseau and the social contract, it sounds fine at first glance. It takes about liberty, equality, freedom and all the good things. The problem is that he makes up the utter bollocks of "the general will" which means that there is a magical sets of "feels" that allows someone to force someone else to comply even if it requires coercsion or violence.

 

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Austin Allegro
45 minutes ago, reformed nice guy said:

Like most problems, this goes back to the French.

 

 

I believe that was one of the phrases that resulted in Dr David Starkey being cancelled.

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Hail the Tripod

The whole argument is predicated on the idea that these vaccines stop transmission. If that were true, they would have an argument. Not a good one, but at least an arguable position. However, with the evidence for prevention of transmission so unbelievably poor, it really is just ignorant prejudice.

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4 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

The whole argument is predicated on the idea that these vaccines stop transmission. If that were true, they would have an argument. Not a good one, but at least an arguable position. However, with the evidence for prevention of transmission so unbelievably poor, it really is just ignorant prejudice.

Its THE fundamental point that never gets addressed.

So frustrating. Why can't one fucking journalist put this point to just one person in power and not give up until they have answered it?

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4 minutes ago, Reck B said:

Its THE fundamental point that never gets addressed.

So frustrating. Why can't one fucking journalist put this point to just one person in power and not give up until they have answered it?

What a crazy suggestion!  Politicians and journalists "know" that vaccines stop transmission. 

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17 minutes ago, Reck B said:

Its THE fundamental point that never gets addressed.

So frustrating. Why can't one fucking journalist put this point to just one person in power and not give up until they have answered it?

Just reiterates that this is some kind of mass hypnosis or spell event to me.  And it's hard for these people to go back now and admit they were maybe wrong or mistaken - if not impossible. 

Almost like it's part of the trickery/ spell by design.... Like crossing the Rubicon.  Or a house of cards that their sitting on top.  Even if not conscious I'd say at the subconscious level they are intimately protective of not letting any of the foundation be damaged.

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18 minutes ago, maynardgravy said:

They really are horrible fuckers - they don't hate the ruling classes, they want to be them, and the fact that the plebs haven't followed their plan and lifted them up to their rightful place, means they despise them. Most people work this out in their late twenties at worst. 

Brilliantly put - and I'm ashamed to say it did take me until my late 20's to really work this out, though I was unable to summarize it as well as you have above.

I just found out time and time again that the folk crying for 'social justice' the loudest were actually for the most part the nasiest people out there on an interpersonal level. They would happily see the unvaxxed lined up against a wall and shot and would be able to rationalize it in their own heads that they were morally correct in doing so.

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53 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

Brilliantly put - and I'm ashamed to say it did take me until my late 20's to really work this out, though I was unable to summarize it as well as you have above.

I just found out time and time again that the folk crying for 'social justice' the loudest were actually for the most part the nasiest people out there on an interpersonal level. They would happily see the unvaxxed lined up against a wall and shot and would be able to rationalize it in their own heads that they were morally correct in doing so.

 

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2 hours ago, Reck B said:

Its THE fundamental point that never gets addressed.

So frustrating. Why can't one fucking journalist put this point to just one person in power and not give up until they have answered it?

Emperors clothes.

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Hail the Tripod

Do we shun people who break traffic laws either, as Chomsky suggests is so obvious? I really don’t think so. I kind of expect everyone to break the speed limit sometimes, or not come to a complete stop at a stop sign, or reverse without a seatbelt on, or park inappropriately occasionally. To be honest, I’ve never really observed people convicted of drunk driving being social shamed, although that presumably does occur where it has resulted in a serious accident (I just don’t know of any).

 

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17 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

Do we shun people who break traffic laws either, as Chomsky suggests is so obvious? I really don’t think so. I kind of expect everyone to break the speed limit sometimes, or not come to a complete stop at a stop sign, or reverse without a seatbelt on, or park inappropriately occasionally. To be honest, I’ve never really observed people convicted of drunk driving being social shamed, although that presumably does occur where it has resulted in a serious accident (I just don’t know of any).

 

My mother still speaks of my ex brother in law - convicted of downloading child pornography - quite affectionately.

 

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Bien Pensant
12 hours ago, JFK said:

He's just returning to type,  far leftist dipshits love their communist authoritarian roots. 

The state of this 90 year old boomer. 

Thought he was dead,  what's he done for the last 40 years?  Fuck all except pretend he was against the system but now just another useful idiot cog in the control mechanism. 

If people think this would endear people to the covid cult they're crazy

Indeed, as Hayek pointed out (The Road to Serfdom), collectivism is impossible without compulsion because it requires everybody to be lawfully coerced into following the 'agreed' agenda.

Fundamentally, therefore, all commies, whatever they say about 'social justice', believe in using violence against those who disagree with them.

So, of course he's really a nasty POS, they all are.

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12 hours ago, JFK said:

Ask your friend how would this be done and enforced.  Active segregation and enforcement of segregation?  Maybe differential treatment,  sticking people into some sort of accommodation/ area.  Then you'd have to identify them,  like some armband would be handy eh.  Never been done before. 

Ask him this question how it would happen,  how would such an apartheid system be implemented 

Personally, I wouldn't bother, I don't care for the society of commies or Nazis, I'd just delete his fucking contact details.

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Bien Pensant
10 hours ago, reformed nice guy said:

If you look at Rousseau and the social contract, it sounds fine at first glance. It takes about liberty, equality, freedom and all the good things. The problem is that he makes up the utter bollocks of "the general will" which means that there is a magical sets of "feels" that allows someone to force someone else to comply even if it requires coercsion or violence.

Well really it goes back to Plato, who is the commies' favorite philosopher.

I prefer Rand (who preferred Aristotle), here's a good bit:

When “the common good" of a society is regarded as something apart from and superior to the individual good of its members, it means that the good of some men takes precedence over the good of others, with those others consigned to the status of sacrificial animals. It is tacitly assumed, in such cases, that “the common good” means “the good of the majority ” as against the minority or the individual. Observe the significant fact that that assumption is tacit: even the most collectivized mentalities seem to sense the impossibility of justifying it morally. But “the good of the majority," too, is only a pretense and a delusion: since, in fact, the violation of an individual’s rights means the abrogation of all rights, it delivers the helpless majority into the power of any gang that proclaims itself to be “the voice of society” and proceeds to rule by means of physical force, until deposed by another gang employing the same means.

From Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal

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Bien Pensant
8 hours ago, Reck B said:

Its THE fundamental point that never gets addressed.

So frustrating. Why can't one fucking journalist put this point to just one person in power and not give up until they have answered it?

Because they're all grifters working the same con?

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8 hours ago, Bear Hug said:

What a crazy suggestion!  Politicians and journalists "know" that vaccines stop transmission. 

I always wonder what they must be thinking about themselves when I watch this scene about unquestioning faith in "famous personages" from one of their productions:

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8 hours ago, Dogtania said:

Just reiterates that this is some kind of mass hypnosis or spell event to me.  And it's hard for these people to go back now and admit they were maybe wrong or mistaken - if not impossible. 

Almost like it's part of the trickery/ spell by design.... Like crossing the Rubicon.  Or a house of cards that their sitting on top.  Even if not conscious I'd say at the subconscious level they are intimately protective of not letting any of the foundation be damaged.

No, I'd say they've known what they've been about for years.

The public aren't paying the bills so someone else must be and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

As someone else here said, we haven't had any investigative journalism for years, it's all just press releases.

The 'journalists' who stuck around reconciled the situation with their consciences years ago.

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7 hours ago, JoeDavola said:

I just found out time and time again that the folk crying for 'social justice' the loudest were actually for the most part the nasiest people out there on an interpersonal level.

And the most personally selfish, IME.

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1 hour ago, Bien Pensant said:

No, I'd say they've known what they've been about for years.

The public aren't paying the bills so someone else must be and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

As someone else here said, we haven't had any investigative journalism for years, it's all just press releases.

The 'journalists' who stuck around reconciled the situation with their consciences years ago.

idk maybe I'm naive thinking that these same journos-not-investigative-journos are the crap that is left behind when you create an environment to filter out anything of substance that is genuinely open and impartial.  Many idiot brokers that think they are on the good team (just my naivety?) and of course some rotten cores left floating.  Also this mass psychosis/spell that seems so evident now has not come from nowhere (obv), the groundwork and foundations have been a long time event.

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