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We are heading towards replacement motor time. Mrs of course wants a Van SUV. However i have noticed you can pick up 4 year old Jag XF's for £15-£16K. The 2 litre diesel does >50mpg and only £20 road tax a year. Insurance isn't bad either for us at a tad under £450 a year. I assume scrots think this is a granddad car so target BMW's etc. 

Its a saloon but then our second car would be an Auris estate for carting stuff about.

Owner reviews generally very good and reliability is on a par with others in that class. 

A lot better value than a BMW / Merc / Audi. Mate had one in Saudi - beautiful car 

What do you reckon ?

How do I persuade Mrs B that an SUV (probably be a Qashqai) is not the route to go? 

 

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Saloon cars are nice to drive and have a secureish place for stuff in the boot.

But for some reason they're out of favour and thus are relatively cheap. 

 

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4 minutes ago, dgul said:

Saloon cars are nice to drive and have a secureish place for stuff in the boot.

But for some reason they're out of favour and thus are relatively cheap. 

 

Good point. We have an estate anyway which we would keep. 

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Don Coglione

Diesels are as cheap as chips now, because no-one wants them. I can see the price of pump diesel going through the roof, in the name of the climate (with some sort of rebate for commercial operators).

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6 minutes ago, Don Coglione said:

Diesels are as cheap as chips now, because no-one wants them. I can see the price of pump diesel going through the roof, in the name of the climate (with some sort of rebate for commercial operators).

I quite fancy a luxury car for 5-6 years even if we do use the Auris for more routine stuff. 

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Family member has an 8 year old XF diesel.
Lovely car...

 

...if you are an aul fella.

You get to wave to other Jag drivers though and if you are parked up anywhere posh other aul fellas will come up and talk to you about Jags (said in the clarkson voice).

I slag them off but they are a nice car, cheapish to run, nice inside in leather, big boot and do look good in an old man sort of way. Lots of independent specialists about too so I hear they arent bad to service that way.

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6 minutes ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

They are shit.

Buy something else.

Owner reviews are generally pretty good. 

What aspects make them shit in your view? 

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Kurt Barlow
10 minutes ago, belfastchild said:

Family member has an 8 year old XF diesel.
Lovely car...

 

...if you are an aul fella.

You get to wave to other Jag drivers though and if you are parked up anywhere posh other aul fellas will come up and talk to you about Jags (said in the clarkson voice).

I slag them off but they are a nice car, cheapish to run, nice inside in leather, big boot and do look good in an old man sort of way. Lots of independent specialists about too so I hear they arent bad to service that way.

Im 50 next year so heading into old git territory. 

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Bedrag Justesen
8 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

Owner reviews are generally pretty good. 

What aspects make them shit in your view? 

Single aluminium pressing side panel expensive to repair.

2.0 Ingeneum diesel engine suits a van.

Electrical gremlins carried over from older metal bodied original XF.

JLR dealers soak the rich.

Minor frontal impact detonates pedestrian safety under bonnet explosive charges which fire to cushion impact of cylinder block. Expensive to replace and can damage aluminium bonnet panel.

Suffers typical metal reaction underbody of steel to aluminium. Look like they live in the sea.

 

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I would look for a petrol unless you really need a diesel for some reason. 

 

Its extremely unlikely we won't see more of those 'low emission' zones popping up around cities which will more than counter any fuel savings. 

Add on all the extra only diesel gubbins (DPF, DMF, Adblue, turbo, intercooler etc) and it's much more likely to cost much more over the life of a car. 

 

Depends how old and long you're keeping it, I would not touch any recent diesel out of warranty unless it was an extremely good deal. 

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29 minutes ago, Myco said:

I would look for a petrol unless you really need a diesel for some reason. 

 

Its extremely unlikely we won't see more of those 'low emission' zones popping up around cities which will more than counter any fuel savings. 

Add on all the extra only diesel gubbins (DPF, DMF, Adblue, turbo, intercooler etc) and it's much more likely to cost much more over the life of a car. 

 

Depends how old and long you're keeping it, I would not touch any recent diesel out of warranty unless it was an extremely good deal. 

Compared to a £50K new Tesla purchase. That has been mooted.......:ph34r:

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36 minutes ago, Myco said:

I would look for a petrol unless you really need a diesel for some reason. 

 

Its extremely unlikely we won't see more of those 'low emission' zones popping up around cities which will more than counter any fuel savings. 

Add on all the extra only diesel gubbins (DPF, DMF, Adblue, turbo, intercooler etc) and it's much more likely to cost much more over the life of a car. 

 

Depends how old and long you're keeping it, I would not touch any recent diesel out of warranty unless it was an extremely good deal. 

Wont use in Londonistan

Any case my employer gives me a free Oyster for travel on TFL's filthy network. They don't mind weekend use as long as it isn't excessive. 

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2 hours ago, Kurt Barlow said:

We are heading towards replacement motor time. Mrs of course wants a Van SUV. However i have noticed you can pick up 4 year old Jag XF's for £15-£16K. The 2 litre diesel does >50mpg and only £20 road tax a year. Insurance isn't bad either for us at a tad under £450 a year. I assume scrots think this is a granddad car so target BMW's etc. 

Its a saloon but then our second car would be an Auris estate for carting stuff about.

Owner reviews generally very good and reliability is on a par with others in that class. 

A lot better value than a BMW / Merc / Audi. Mate had one in Saudi - beautiful car 

What do you reckon ?

How do I persuade Mrs B that an SUV (probably be a Qashqai) is not the route to go? 

 

That tax is decent for sure. The insurance on the big Jags has always been cheap due to the pipe and slippers image. I had one in my early 20s.

As said though Euro 6 diesel is a pain in the ass. 

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Is it really 3 years ago you headed your missus off at the pass? (I dpn't know how), from memory she was wanting one of those small Range Rover thotmobiles.

If you can charge at home, and I guess you can, get an EV. Any long trips where you're not sure of the charging infrastructure you can do in the old estate, which from memory is an old Toyota. 

Friend at work has one of these now, he's very happy with it so far. 

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Edit An old luxobarge diesel will only definitely end up cheaper overall if nothing serious goes wrong with it. Dunno what the state of the all-inclusive leasing market is in the UK, but here, its seriously competitive with anything but bangernomics where you can do most maintenance and repairs yourself. A base model 3 for 436 quid a month - everything included, insurance, tyres, warranty,servicing, tax, you just pay for the leccy.

https://gowago.ch/en/listing/tesla-model-3/04B2DCAE?downPayment=6147 

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Chewing Grass

I always think there is no such thing as a bad car these days as long as you don't buy a Diesel or a Turbo Petrol due to their complexities.

Saw this tonight and remembered the Reg, 10 year old MG6, must be one of the first.

Also read that most German Electric cars have sshhhh don't tell anyone, Chinese made running gear - whats Vorsprung Durch in Chinese.

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5 hours ago, Kurt Barlow said:

We are heading towards replacement motor time. Mrs of course wants a Van SUV. However i have noticed you can pick up 4 year old Jag XF's for £15-£16K. The 2 litre diesel does >50mpg and only £20 road tax a year. Insurance isn't bad either for us at a tad under £450 a year. I assume scrots think this is a granddad car so target BMW's etc. 

Its a saloon but then our second car would be an Auris estate for carting stuff about.

Owner reviews generally very good and reliability is on a par with others in that class. 

A lot better value than a BMW / Merc / Audi. Mate had one in Saudi - beautiful car 

What do you reckon ?

How do I persuade Mrs B that an SUV (probably be a Qashqai) is not the route to go? 

 

Just buy what she wants in the most sensible way possible anything else is a waste of money as she’ll still want whatever she wants.

Get a Evoque or whatever on PCP so no additional repair bills. View it as a sunk cost of keeping her quiet and closing the door on any additional money spending requests until the lease finishes. 

It’s like business always better to go for a fixed cost contract rather than gamble on managing a budget down, or keeping it static, in future.

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2 hours ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Is it really 3 years ago you headed your missus off at the pass? (I dpn't know how), from memory she was wanting one of those small Range Rover thotmobiles.

If you can charge at home, and I guess you can, get an EV. Any long trips where you're not sure of the charging infrastructure you can do in the old estate, which from memory is an old Toyota. 

Friend at work has one of these now, he's very happy with it so far. 

image.jpeg.52ce4817c388d5ba44a3f0725c34e2fc.jpeg

 

 

Edit An old luxobarge diesel will only definitely end up cheaper overall if nothing serious goes wrong with it. Dunno what the state of the all-inclusive leasing market is in the UK, but here, its seriously competitive with anything but bangernomics where you can do most maintenance and repairs yourself. A base model 3 for 436 quid a month - everything included, insurance, tyres, warranty,servicing, tax, you just pay for the leccy.

https://gowago.ch/en/listing/tesla-model-3/04B2DCAE?downPayment=6147 

Yup - been kicking the can down the road for best part of 3 years. 

That makes me a DOSBODERY Black Belt Master

To be fair though we did spunk half a million on a house in the meantime. 

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2 hours ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Is it really 3 years ago you headed your missus off at the pass? (I dpn't know how), from memory she was wanting one of those small Range Rover thotmobiles.

If you can charge at home, and I guess you can, get an EV. Any long trips where you're not sure of the charging infrastructure you can do in the old estate, which from memory is an old Toyota. 

Friend at work has one of these now, he's very happy with it so far. 

image.jpeg.52ce4817c388d5ba44a3f0725c34e2fc.jpeg

 

 

Edit An old luxobarge diesel will only definitely end up cheaper overall if nothing serious goes wrong with it. Dunno what the state of the all-inclusive leasing market is in the UK, but here, its seriously competitive with anything but bangernomics where you can do most maintenance and repairs yourself. A base model 3 for 436 quid a month - everything included, insurance, tyres, warranty,servicing, tax, you just pay for the leccy.

https://gowago.ch/en/listing/tesla-model-3/04B2DCAE?downPayment=6147 

On the leasing front we used to have some really good deals through work. With the shortage of new cars those deals have dried up. 

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19 minutes ago, SNACR said:

Just buy what she wants in the most sensible way possible anything else is a waste of money as she’ll still want whatever she wants.

Get a Evoque or whatever on PCP so no additional repair bills. View it as a sunk cost of keeping her quiet and closing the door on any additional money spending requests until the lease finishes. 

It’s like business always better to go for a fixed cost contract rather than gamble on managing a budget down, or keeping it static, in future.

4 year term on 15000 a year is £27K. That doesn't appear to include maintenance. 

Car Leasing Deal | Auto Trader UK

 

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8 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

4 year term on 15000 a year is £27K. That doesn't appear to include maintenance. 

Car Leasing Deal | Auto Trader UK

 

That's £262 per month after taxation or £340 per month before over another perfectly competent vehicle on a lease e.g. the hyundai equivalent of a ponce mobile.

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2 hours ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Any long trips where you're not sure of the charging infrastructure you can do in the old estate, which from memory is an old Toyota. 

Not that impressive tbh.

Kurt's first post was barely three hours before yours, and anyway you can still read it at the top of the thread.  :P

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10 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

That's £262 per month after taxation or £340 per month before over another perfectly competent vehicle on a lease e.g. the hyundai equivalent of a ponce mobile.

£513pcm plus £3300 upfront payment. 

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