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Scraping old bangers and buying a new car. A shit show.


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Right so, I've got an old banger fiesta with a snapped alternator belt dumped outside my mums house 150+ miles away. 

I've now got another old banger rover metro dumped outside the tyre garage with what u think is a knackered fuel pump that refuses to start. 

Both of them are fucked and not worth repairing, so I've got to get the log books posted around the country so the right one is with the right car, then find a scrap man who'll pcik them up and maybe give me a few quid. Then cancel the tax and insurance on both of them. 

I think I can handle that part. 

But, I now need to buy a new car, don't want to buy an old banger again. I can sort out a few grand for something decent. I do a lot of dual carriageway driving, 500 mile a week sometimes, so I want a diesel and preferably a Ford or vauxhall that's easy to repair if needs be. 

There's a few garages within walking distance of me, so I'm thinking it's just a case of seeing what they've got for a sensible 2-3 grand and hoping for the best. Atm I'm thinking not too old, but probably looking at something with 100k+ on the clock.

Am I barking up the wrong tree? Have never bought a car that wasn't a 500 quid banger so not really sure what to be looking for. All I know is I can't be bothered with the bloody things not starting or falling apart when I hit potholes. 

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16 minutes ago, Calcutta said:

Right so, I've got an old banger fiesta with a snapped alternator belt dumped outside my mums house 150+ miles away. 

I've now got another old banger rover metro dumped outside the tyre garage with what u think is a knackered fuel pump that refuses to start. 

Both of them are fucked and not worth repairing, so I've got to get the log books posted around the country so the right one is with the right car, then find a scrap man who'll pcik them up and maybe give me a few quid. Then cancel the tax and insurance on both of them. 

I think I can handle that part. 

But, I now need to buy a new car, don't want to buy an old banger again. I can sort out a few grand for something decent. I do a lot of dual carriageway driving, 500 mile a week sometimes, so I want a diesel and preferably a Ford or vauxhall that's easy to repair if needs be. 

There's a few garages within walking distance of me, so I'm thinking it's just a case of seeing what they've got for a sensible 2-3 grand and hoping for the best. Atm I'm thinking not too old, but probably looking at something with 100k+ on the clock.

Am I barking up the wrong tree? Have never bought a car that wasn't a 500 quid banger so not really sure what to be looking for. All I know is I can't be bothered with the bloody things not starting or falling apart when I hit potholes. 

You are entering the world of the posh?

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After being burnt badly buying from a "specialist" car dealer I'd say check the feedback of garages on FB, forums etc. Best case - garage buys a car cheap - adds their profit - you buy it (all is good), or ... you buy it, it breaks, they are twats and you've left with a broken car that you've paid over the odds for. From a garage you should get some peace of mind but you pay for it.

Do you have any mechanic friends? Plenty of good cars on Gumtree & FB Marketplace, go with cash, take your mechanic (don't forget to buy him a decent drink). Or Ebay - if you find faults when you go to collect it you can just abort as "car not as described" (but once you've paid it's your problem). Let everyone know you're looking to buy, something from a known individual is less likely to have hidden faults, they know word will get around if they rip you off (beware it's also a great way to wreck a friendship if things go wrong).

I've had cheap cars that were great (several £80-£150, esp smaller Peugeot / Citroen), I've had expensive cars that were crap (I've just scrapped a modern BMW that I paid thousands for - unreliable and too many warning lights - avoid BMW!). I've also scrapped good cars that were in the way and I couldn't find a buyer for (I buy a new car - advertise old one - grief off LL about having 2 cars on the driveway...)  Cars after 2005-2007 have a lot more electronics to meet Euro emissions - lots more potential problems, pre-2005 are less likely to have electic gremlins and are easier to fix if needed but are obviously 15+ year old by now.

It's a minefield, be lucky !

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43 minutes ago, Calcutta said:

Right so, I've got an old banger fiesta with a snapped alternator belt dumped outside my mums house 150+ miles away. 

I've now got another old banger rover metro dumped outside the tyre garage with what u think is a knackered fuel pump that refuses to start. 

Both of them are fucked and not worth repairing, so I've got to get the log books posted around the country so the right one is with the right car, then find a scrap man who'll pcik them up and maybe give me a few quid. Then cancel the tax and insurance on both of them. 

I think I can handle that part. 

But, I now need to buy a new car, don't want to buy an old banger again. I can sort out a few grand for something decent. I do a lot of dual carriageway driving, 500 mile a week sometimes, so I want a diesel and preferably a Ford or vauxhall that's easy to repair if needs be. 

There's a few garages within walking distance of me, so I'm thinking it's just a case of seeing what they've got for a sensible 2-3 grand and hoping for the best. Atm I'm thinking not too old, but probably looking at something with 100k+ on the clock.

Am I barking up the wrong tree? Have never bought a car that wasn't a 500 quid banger so not really sure what to be looking for. All I know is I can't be bothered with the bloody things not starting or falling apart when I hit potholes. 

Modern diesels are more complex to repair I think. So sometimes a false economy especially when buying used. 

For what you’ve described, ie dull, reliable I’d look for a Toyota or Honda, maybe a Civic with the 1.6 Diesel engine if you can stretch that far, a colleague has one and it does nearly 70mpg. The 1.8 petrol will do 50mpg on the motorway and will never break down, and you might get it cheaper initially. You also might get an estate cheap because they’re butt ugly, but good cars. 

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3 hours ago, Calcutta said:

I've got an old banger fiesta with a snapped alternator

some dosbodder with a field needs to be collecting these and we can have a big meet up one day and see how many we can repair.....then go on a rally to Monte Carlo :Jumping:

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2 hours ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

The 1.8 petrol will do 50mpg on the motorway and will never break down, and you might get it cheaper initially.

I agree monsieur! the 1.8 civic was one of the cleverest cars ever made, like a tardis inside and I concur they never go wrong...

don't get a 2.2 diesel cos if that thing goes wrong they cost a fortune to repair

even the cat on the 1.8 is sensible, it's right on the exhaust manifold so they don't get nicked but a piece of cake to replace if need be.....have a look on copart, I've had a few bargains off there

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5 hours ago, nirvana said:

I agree monsieur! the 1.8 civic was one of the cleverest cars ever made, like a tardis inside and I concur they never go wrong...

don't get a 2.2 diesel cos if that thing goes wrong they cost a fortune to repair

even the cat on the 1.8 is sensible, it's right on the exhaust manifold so they don't get nicked but a piece of cake to replace if need be.....have a look on copart, I've had a few bargains off there

Another vote for the Honda Civic. Mother in law was offered £1200 for hers as a trade in three years ago so we bought it off her.

Performance is ok, economy is ok but it is great for just bunging things in and driving about.

I will be very surprised if we don't still have it in another three years.

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As above, do you know any mechanics.
The way things are going with 2nd hand prices and potential recession/loss of pcp cars both those small cars may be worth a lot more to a mechanic who can store and spend time fixing.
They might also have some small runarounds (most of my mechanic friends always have something on the go or could source you one cheap and have a look over it - could be in trade for the other cars).

Might be worth looking in to as a good mechanic you have done a favour for is worth their weight in gold.

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21 hours ago, One percent said:

Ive just seen an advert on my farcebook for a mk2 escort. Should have copied it. Anyhow it was something stupid like 40k. O.o

Crazy innit.

I remember in about 1990 a mate got a very tidy example of a mk2 Escort RS2000 for just a few hundred quid but they were so cheap and undesirable back then he just abused it, flogged it to death and scrapped it in less than 6 months. 

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7 minutes ago, Royston said:

Crazy innit.

I remember in about 1990 a mate got a very tidy example of a mk2 Escort RS2000 for just a few hundred quid but they were so cheap and undesirable back then he just abused it, flogged it to death and scrapped it in less than 6 months. 

I had a mk 1 1100. Gawd did it struggle with hills. 

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Frank Hovis

As an insight into the trade I watch "Chops garage" on YouTube.

He's a one man band in North Devon who buys cars from BCA or trade ins or just ones brought to him.

He buys cars aged about ten to twelve years for £600 - £900 and after a quick assessment sends them for an MoT.

If he doesn't like the look or they fail the MoT then he simply shifts them on for roughly what he paid - sold as seen.

If he thinks they're okay then he will clean them up, including paint work, fix anything easy or pay to have trickier stuff fixed as he isn't a mechanic.

He then sells them for £2k to £2.5k with warranty and makes a reasonable living.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of his cars; generally he buys smaller cars of Fiesta size as that's where the demand is.

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14 hours ago, One percent said:

I had a mk 1 1100. Gawd did it struggle with hills. 

I learned to drive in one of those. You really needed the 1300 at least.

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On 23/01/2022 at 10:58, Calcutta said:

Right so, I've got an old banger fiesta with a snapped alternator belt dumped outside my mums house 150+ miles away. 

I've now got another old banger rover metro dumped outside the tyre garage with what u think is a knackered fuel pump that refuses to start. 

Both of them are fucked and not worth repairing, so I've got to get the log books posted around the country so the right one is with the right car, then find a scrap man who'll pcik them up and maybe give me a few quid. Then cancel the tax and insurance on both of them. 

I think I can handle that part. 

But, I now need to buy a new car, don't want to buy an old banger again. I can sort out a few grand for something decent. I do a lot of dual carriageway driving, 500 mile a week sometimes, so I want a diesel and preferably a Ford or vauxhall that's easy to repair if needs be. 

There's a few garages within walking distance of me, so I'm thinking it's just a case of seeing what they've got for a sensible 2-3 grand and hoping for the best. Atm I'm thinking not too old, but probably looking at something with 100k+ on the clock.

Am I barking up the wrong tree? Have never bought a car that wasn't a 500 quid banger so not really sure what to be looking for. All I know is I can't be bothered with the bloody things not starting or falling apart when I hit potholes. 

A 2-3 grand car is not guaranteed to give you any less hassle than a good £500 one in my experience. Especially not from a dealer as often you are buying a £500 quid car with his profit and a shit warrenty. It's worse in a way as you are committed to it financially. 

Cartakeback etc are giving decent money right now if the bangers can't be fixed cheaply.

Full disclosure: I love bangers (all meanings of the word)

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16 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

As an insight into the trade I watch "Chops garage" on YouTube.

He's a one man band in North Devon who buys cars from BCA or trade ins or just ones brought to him.

He buys cars aged about ten to twelve years for £600 - £900 and after a quick assessment sends them for an MoT.

If he doesn't like the look or they fail the MoT then he simply shifts them on for roughly what he paid - sold as seen.

If he thinks they're okay then he will clean them up, including paint work, fix anything easy or pay to have trickier stuff fixed as he isn't a mechanic.

He then sells them for £2k to £2.5k with warranty and makes a reasonable living.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of his cars; generally he buys smaller cars of Fiesta size as that's where the demand is.

I watch this too.

But this is what I mean about a £2k car really being a £500 one. If you buy right you can cut him out the middle.

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On 24/01/2022 at 11:25, belfastchild said:

As above, do you know any mechanics.
The way things are going with 2nd hand prices and potential recession/loss of pcp cars both those small cars may be worth a lot more to a mechanic who can store and spend time fixing.
They might also have some small runarounds (most of my mechanic friends always have something on the go or could source you one cheap and have a look over it - could be in trade for the other cars).

Might be worth looking in to as a good mechanic you have done a favour for is worth their weight in gold.

The problem right now with older cars is the government taking the piss with the road tax. If you can get some with cheap tax hang onto it. I understand they can only increase it by inflation retrospectively.

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On 23/01/2022 at 10:58, Calcutta said:

Right so, I've got an old banger fiesta with a snapped alternator belt dumped outside my mums house 150+ miles away. 

I've now got another old banger rover metro dumped outside the tyre garage with what u think is a knackered fuel pump that refuses to start. 

Both of them are fucked and not worth repairing, so I've got to get the log books posted around the country so the right one is with the right car, then find a scrap man who'll pcik them up and maybe give me a few quid. Then cancel the tax and insurance on both of them. 

I think I can handle that part. 

But, I now need to buy a new car, don't want to buy an old banger again. I can sort out a few grand for something decent. I do a lot of dual carriageway driving, 500 mile a week sometimes, so I want a diesel and preferably a Ford or vauxhall that's easy to repair if needs be. 

There's a few garages within walking distance of me, so I'm thinking it's just a case of seeing what they've got for a sensible 2-3 grand and hoping for the best. Atm I'm thinking not too old, but probably looking at something with 100k+ on the clock.

Am I barking up the wrong tree? Have never bought a car that wasn't a 500 quid banger so not really sure what to be looking for. All I know is I can't be bothered with the bloody things not starting or falling apart when I hit potholes. 

I presume you mean a snapped cambelt? Surely an aux belt is worth fixing? 

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3 hours ago, 23rdian said:

The problem right now with older cars is the government taking the piss with the road tax. If you can get some with cheap tax hang onto it. I understand they can only increase it by inflation retrospectively.

Yeah, even my late 90s 2.4 turbo diesel campervan is only 260 quid a year (or was when I last taxed it!)

You should see some of the rates for car tax in the ROI. Some really good serviceable cars (alfa brera v6 springs to mind) were suddenly 2400 euro a year to tax! A lot of the cars were coming north because the tax was a multiple of the cars value!

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I've taken to watching some of those car shows where they restore old cars. I'm amazed at how good some of them look. Bangers and cash, Car SOS, and the like.

Back in the days when those cars were around 10 years old no one would ever dream that they could be fixed, just told to scrap them. 

How can it be financially viable surely the labour costs must be astronomical? 

A recent vehicle shown was a well rusted Mini that sold for £18K. Looking at those advertised on Car and Classic they don't sell for much more than that restored anyway.

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22 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

As an insight into the trade I watch "Chops garage" on YouTube.

He's a one man band in North Devon who buys cars from BCA or trade ins or just ones brought to him.

He buys cars aged about ten to twelve years for £600 - £900 and after a quick assessment sends them for an MoT.

If he doesn't like the look or they fail the MoT then he simply shifts them on for roughly what he paid - sold as seen.

If he thinks they're okay then he will clean them up, including paint work, fix anything easy or pay to have trickier stuff fixed as he isn't a mechanic.

He then sells them for £2k to £2.5k with warranty and makes a reasonable living.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of his cars; generally he buys smaller cars of Fiesta size as that's where the demand is.

I've started watching on your recommendation, he does seem very honest and upfront, probably too much so with some of his piss taking customers coming back with ridiculous complaints and non-issues.

I'm not sure he does give a very realistic insight into the trade though, I doubt there are many dealers at all who are as conscientious and honest as him, especially at the cheap end of the used car market.

I just wish he could be a bit more concise in his videos and not waffle and ramble so much, he'd probably get a lot more views and subs and start to generate a decent youtube revenue if his his vids were a bit shorter and more succinct. 

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Mate of mine got an original Audi A2 recently. Very efficient and lightweight.

All aluminium construction (even the panels!) means they're written off in minor crashes, though - insurance can therefore be expensive.

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On 23/01/2022 at 11:55, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

Modern diesels are more complex to repair I think. So sometimes a false economy especially when buying used. 

For what you’ve described, ie dull, reliable I’d look for a Toyota or Honda, maybe a Civic with the 1.6 Diesel engine if you can stretch that far, a colleague has one and it does nearly 70mpg. The 1.8 petrol will do 50mpg on the motorway and will never break down, and you might get it cheaper initially. You also might get an estate cheap because they’re butt ugly, but good cars. 

Honda Civic's, 2006-2011 or 2012-2017.  All chain cam engines, older ones have no DPF on the diesels. Both Petrol and Diesels bulletproof engines. I have never heard of a Honda diesel having a Turbo failure. Petrol's even more reliable and no turbo at all and V-tec engine. 

Owned 5 since 2007, none ever broke down or had major mechanical issues, just oil filters brakes and tyres. 

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