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New national police hub to crack down on trolls posting hate crime online

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A new national police hub will be set up to crack down on trolls posting hate crime online, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has announced.

Run by specialist officers, the hub will assess if complaints amount to a crime, work to identify perpetrators and, where appropriate, recommend the removal of hateful material to online platforms.

It will also clarify the force responsible for further action in each case.

The move is part of a drive to improve support for victims and increase prosecutions of trolls who abuse others online over their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or transgender identity.

Ms Rudd said: "What is illegal offline is illegal online, and those who commit these cowardly crimes should be met with the full force of the law.

"The national online hate crime hub that we are funding is an important step to ensure more victims have the confidence to come forward and report the vile abuse to which they are being subjected.

http://news.sky.com/story/new-national-police-hub-to-crack-down-on-trolls-posting-hate-crime-online-11071987

They are really scared of the internet arent they?

The power of people communicating globally online without the need for attendance at a particular place. 

What is the definition of  "inciting hatred" then? 

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4 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

A new national police hub will be set up to crack down on trolls posting hate crime online, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has announced.

Run by specialist officers, the hub will assess if complaints amount to a crime, work to identify perpetrators and, where appropriate, recommend the removal of hateful material to online platforms.

It will also clarify the force responsible for further action in each case.

The move is part of a drive to improve support for victims and increase prosecutions of trolls who abuse others online over their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or transgender identity.

Ms Rudd said: "What is illegal offline is illegal online, and those who commit these cowardly crimes should be met with the full force of the law.

"The national online hate crime hub that we are funding is an important step to ensure more victims have the confidence to come forward and report the vile abuse to which they are being subjected.

http://news.sky.com/story/new-national-police-hub-to-crack-down-on-trolls-posting-hate-crime-online-11071987

They are really scared of the internet arent they?

The power of people communicating globally online without the need for attendance at a particular place. 

That is a potentially infinate and endless black hole of resources and time.

Policing potentially millions of people being dicks from the safety of anonymity?

Good luck with that, you'd be better off just shutting down facebook.

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23 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

"The national online hate crime hub that we are funding is an important step to ensure more victims have the confidence to come forward and report the vile abuse to which they are being subjected.

The word "vile" seems to have been specially reserved for online trolling/expressing any opinion counter to the proscribed.

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Trolls were actually sometimes funny but often menacing and bordering on stalking / harassment etc there are already laws to deal with this sort of actual "Trolling"

What this new dept is about is silencing critics and opinions that go against the liberal government narrative,

i also think the main aim is to silence everyone in the aftermath of terror attacks from anything other than posting "thoughts & prayers" / Flag / Candle picture. 

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42 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

A new national police hub will be set up to crack down on trolls posting hate crime online, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has announced.

Run by specialist officers, the hub will assess if complaints amount to a crime, work to identify perpetrators and, where appropriate, recommend the removal of hateful material to online platforms.

It will also clarify the force responsible for further action in each case.

The move is part of a drive to improve support for victims and increase prosecutions of trolls who abuse others online over their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or transgender identity.

Ms Rudd said: "What is illegal offline is illegal online, and those who commit these cowardly crimes should be met with the full force of the law.

"The national online hate crime hub that we are funding is an important step to ensure more victims have the confidence to come forward and report the vile abuse to which they are being subjected.

http://news.sky.com/story/new-national-police-hub-to-crack-down-on-trolls-posting-hate-crime-online-11071987

They are really scared of the internet arent they?

The power of people communicating globally online without the need for attendance at a particular place. 

What is the definition of  "inciting hatred" then? 

And what if the server is hosted outside of the uk?

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29 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

It would be easy to overload something like this to render it useless...

I disagree. It won't be established with the intention of being even-handed, of dealing with all "crimes" equally. It will be set up so that the authorities can weaponise the "hate" laws against people they want to silence.

I see it operating in much the same way as companies weaponise their code of conduct. Almost anything can be turned into a contravention. This means that anyone can be sacked at any time. Similarly, anyone could be locked up for almost anything. Pick and choose for the authorities. Very sinister.

Obvious Orwell link is obvious.

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4 minutes ago, spygirl said:

And what if the server is hosted outside of the uk?

I'm not sure they are going after those that manage the server.  They are after individuals for thought crime. It's the likes of us they are coming for. 

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

I think sunni islam should be a legally proscribed religion in the UK because by its intrinsic nature it provides justification for its adherents to break multiple UK laws including the rape of minors and commit acts of mass killing against non sunni muslims.

Come and get me Amber.

You can make a strong case at outlawing islam as a violent cult.

Salafists take the koran as an instruction book inc. The violent kill bits.

And, no, the bible is not as bad - its all alkegories.

Koran stipulates who should be killed and why.

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1 minute ago, billfunk said:

I disagree. It won't be established with the intention of being even-handed, of dealing with all "crimes" equally. It will be set up so that the authorities can weaponise the "hate" laws against people they want to silence.

I see it operating in much the same way as companies weaponise their code of conduct. Almost anything can be turned into a contravention. This means that anyone can be sacked at any time. Similarly, anyone could be locked up for almost anything. Pick and choose for the authorities. Very sinister.

Obvious Orwell link is obvious.

The best recent high profile example being when Sky Sports decided they wished to fire Richard Keys and Andy Gray without compensation and hire some cheaper presenters.

So scroll back a few years to some pre broadcast, but recorded, off colour sexist chats and claim that the "discovery" of these attitudes left Sky with "no choice" but to fire them.

Yeah, right.

Just now, spygirl said:

You can make a strong case at outlawing islam as a violent cult.

Salafists take the koran as an instruction book inc. The violent kill bits.

And, no, the bible is not as bad - its all alkegories.

Koran stipulates who should be killed and why.

Him as well Amber!  It's not just me you need to come and get.

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Just now, One percent said:

I'm not sure they are going after those that manage the server.  They are after individuals for thought crime. It's the likes of us they are coming for. 

I reckon most digital slabder and getyerboobs out prosecution must rely on the person confessing.

Theres not a hope in hells chance that, if you got soneone who knew about comptuers and browsers caching to go before the court, that youd be able to make a cri inal case.

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Just now, spygirl said:

I reckon most digital slabder and getyerboobs out prosecution must rely on the person confessing.

Theres not a hope in hells chance that, if you got soneone who knew about comptuers and browsers caching to go before the court, that youd be able to make a cri inal case.

In English please spy, forget the computer language, I can't read it. xD

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1 minute ago, spygirl said:

I reckon most digital slabder and getyerboobs out prosecution must rely on the person confessing.

Theres not a hope in hells chance that, if you got soneone who knew about comptuers and browsers caching to go before the court, that youd be able to make a cri inal case.

I think the average geek would very easily talk themselves into a long stretch in the muslim wing of HMP by trying to bamboozle a courtroom and prosecution lawyer.

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

I think sunni islam should be a legally proscribed religion in the UK because by its intrinsic nature it provides justification for its adherents to break multiple UK laws including the rape of minors and commit acts of mass killing against non sunni muslims.

Come and get me Amber.

Thats a good point. How do they approach cases of different religions slinging shit at each other, or even (the humanity!) Sunnis and Shias having a go at each other which is, frankly, their default setting.

"I'm not trolling, I'm merely defending my beliefs from these infidels because my Big Book of Fictitious Dick tells me to do so. Are you oppressing my religion!"

 

Again, good luck with that.

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

In English please spy, forget the computer language, I can't read it. xD

Simple.

Can you prove the person was on the computer when the offense happened?

Can you be sure that person downlowd tge whatever? Browser down load stuff without being asked - a hugd lot of crap gets transfered to your computer without you knowing or askinb. Most is benign but theres no reason an innocent website wont force your briwser to automatically download illegal content.

Basically, where siftware does stuff without being asked, the evidence does not reach the without reasonable doubt.

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21 minutes ago, MrPin said:

If people come to my house, and smash my property, and me,  I won't like it, but if somebody doesn't like me on a forum, I don't really care much.o.O

Crime figures are on the rise. Answer seems to be suck it up.

 

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Just now, spygirl said:

Simple.

Can you prove the person was on the computer when the offense happened?

Can you be sure that person downlowd tge whatever? Browser down load stuff without being asked - a hugd lot of crap gets transfered to your computer without you knowing or askinb. Most is benign but theres no reason an innocent website wont force your briwser to automatically download illegal content.

Basically, where siftware does stuff without being asked, the evidence does not reach the without reasonable doubt.

But people are convicted all the time for having such things as child pornogaphy on a computer. Technically, how would this be any different?  

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