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spygirl

Hey kids! Dont use Windows

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Quite surprised to read that US govt agencies had installed Kaspersky. I avoid it because I trust the NSA more than I trust the KGB  O.o

What next - will we be discovering that the UK govt and FTSE 100 companies have bought heavily into Chinese network routers and firewalls?

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4 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Quite surprised to read that US govt agencies had installed Kaspersky. I avoid it because I trust the NSA more than I trust the KGB  O.o

What next - will we be discovering that the UK govt and FTSE 100 companies have bought heavily into Chinese network routers and firewalls?

Ha! I maintain that the Chinese government has the ability, via those Huawei switches that BT bought for its main backbone, to take down most of the civilian communications network (phones, internet, mobile etc.) at a moment's notice. I assume that the UK military and government have been a bit more cautious....

As an aside, I said this to someone I thought would know better a while ago and he told me I was talking nonsense even when I pointed out that the NSA had installed trojans on Cisco networking kit for export and asked him why he thought the Chinese government was more trustworthy than the US one. 

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Not sure if this is legit or just more of the Russians made me vote for Trump and Brexit narrative.

Windows or not doesn't particularly matter. If you are using Google for browsing, storage or email or any MS/apple equivalent you are already relinquishing all privacy. I do it but I don't have much to be private about.

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43 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

I'm not good enough to build my own complete hardware and software setup and encryption tools, so I have to trust someone!

Who is it to be?

 

Basically, trust no-one when it comes to computers. There was a brief period where it was possible to be secure - say 15 years back, running Linux and using PGP for all your email - but, with everything being continuously connected to the internet and even simple things like networking cards having their own general purpose CPUs and upgradeable firmware, if someone with the skills (hackers, government, big company) wants to get hold of your data then they can.

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28 minutes ago, ThePiltdownMan said:

Not sure if this is legit or just more of the Russians made me vote for Trump and Brexit narrative.

Windows or not doesn't particularly matter. If you are using Google for browsing, storage or email or any MS/apple equivalent you are already relinquishing all privacy. I do it but I don't have much to be private about.

The difference is largely that you decide not to give some stuff to Google if you don't want to but continue to use your computer and their services. With Windows being so horribly compromised though, you have to assume that anything you store on any device that uses it is available to at least most major governments if they want it. I don't suppose anyone on DOSBODS is interesting enough for that to be an issue but if I were, for example, a politician of any type I wouldn't touch Windows with a barge pole.

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56 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

Ha! I maintain that the Chinese government has the ability, via those Huawei switches that BT bought for its main backbone, to take down most of the civilian communications network (phones, internet, mobile etc.) at a moment's notice. I assume that the UK military and government have been a bit more cautious....

As an aside, I said this to someone I thought would know better a while ago and he told me I was talking nonsense even when I pointed out that the NSA had installed trojans on Cisco networking kit for export and asked him why he thought the Chinese government was more trustworthy than the US one. 

Yes. For leverage.

Therell be abackdoor in them.

All American kit has it. But, to the merkins credit, they only spy. Chinese commit industrial espionage and ip theft on a massive scale.

Anyone buying chinese comms kit for infrastructure, commercial or, big laugh, military use needs shooting.

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4 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

Basically, trust no-one when it comes to computers. There was a brief period where it was possible to be secure - say 15 years back, running Linux and using PGP for all your email - but, with everything being continuously connected to the internet and even simple things like networking cards having their own general purpose CPUs and upgradeable firmware, if someone with the skills (hackers, government, big company) wants to get hold of your data then they can.

Still possible with linux or bsd.

Strip everything down. Checksum all files and audit files on boot.

Sniff all mac addresses.

Oh, recompile all binaries and change the magic number.

Adapt the ld loader snd check the sos in use.

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3 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Still possible with linux or bsd.

Strip everything down. Checksum all files and audit files on boot.

Sniff all mac addresses.

Oh, recompile all binaries and change the magic number.

Adapt the ld loader snd check the sos in use.

Absolutely still possible - hence the trust no-one comment. Basically, a hacked USB firmware acting a key logger will bypass whatever OS you're  running anyway. Linux is less likely to have straightforward "send all you stuff straight to the NSA" type things built in but it won't help one bit if your hardware is dodgy.

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4 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

Basically, trust no-one when it comes to computers. There was a brief period where it was possible to be secure - say 15 years back, running Linux and using PGP for all your email - but, with everything being continuously connected to the internet and even simple things like networking cards having their own general purpose CPUs and upgradeable firmware, if someone with the skills (hackers, government, big company) wants to get hold of your data then they can.

Or just use any air gap. 

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2 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

Or just use any air gap. 

I'm not even sure about that. What's to stop a sufficiently back doored piece of hardware making a Bluetooth or Wifi connection without your knowledge?

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5 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

Basically, trust no-one when it comes to computers. There was a brief period where it was possible to be secure - say 15 years back, running Linux and using PGP for all your email - but, with everything being continuously connected to the internet and even simple things like networking cards having their own general purpose CPUs and upgradeable firmware, if someone with the skills (hackers, government, big company) wants to get hold of your data then they can.

I assume anything I do online is findable if someone with enough time wants.  That's why I only watch Laura Dunham porn - I want them to suffer badly if they are spying on me.

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25 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

I'm not even sure about that. What's to stop a sufficiently back doored piece of hardware making a Bluetooth or Wifi connection without your knowledge?

I have covered the house with tin foil just to be on the safe side.

None of this is new.

Sophisticated surveillance devices have been around for decades. In fact the UK government was using land lines as listening devices

Edited by Virgil Caine

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