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VW group cambelt scam


the gardener

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the gardener

Took my car, a Seat with a 3 cylinder 1.0 ltr TSI engine for it's MOT the other day. It's 6 years old and passed just fine. The guy said however that I should think about getting the cambelt done as the VW group recommend it every 5 years regardless of mileage (my car has about 36,000 on the clock). I said to give me a quote and I'll think about it. Quite came to £550!

Not that I've any intention of getting it done but that's shocking. Having looked at the manual however it does require half the car to be taken apart. Anyway I went a did a bit of research because I'm sure that one of the reasons I bought that car was because that engine has a very high mileage interval before cambelt changes.

Sure enough, upon researching I found that throughout Europe the advice is to check it at 240,000km (144,000 miles) and then check every iirc 40,000km (24,000 miles). The only country to recommend different is VW UK. 😄 

What a bunch of gouging pirates.

Just think how many people they are conning in this way. The joke is that when they change it the only guarantee it for 5 years. 🤣

 

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the gardener
2 hours ago, Loki said:

@Carl Fimble can probably do it for less, he's now got a very particular set of skills. Skills he has acquired over a very short career. Skills that make him a nightmare for garages like that. 

I'll run it till I reach 144,000 miles before checking it. That'll be 18 years from now when it's 24 years old. 😄

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Just now, the gardener said:

I'll run it till I reach 144,000 miles before checking it. That'll be 18 years from now when it's 24 years old. 😄

I know you're joking but check there isn't a 10 year (for example) interval as well as mileage

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Rare Bear

When Lotus used the K series engine in various Elise versions the dealers complained about how little income they were getting from servicing the cars. After all, they were dead simple. So Lotus reduced the cam belt replacement interval, down to two years if I remember correctly.

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11 hours ago, the gardener said:

Took my car, a Seat with a 3 cylinder 1.0 ltr TSI engine for it's MOT the other day. It's 6 years old and passed just fine. The guy said however that I should think about getting the cambelt done as the VW group recommend it every 5 years regardless of mileage (my car has about 36,000 on the clock). I said to give me a quote and I'll think about it. Quite came to £550!

Not that I've any intention of getting it done but that's shocking. Having looked at the manual however it does require half the car to be taken apart. Anyway I went a did a bit of research because I'm sure that one of the reasons I bought that car was because that engine has a very high mileage interval before cambelt changes.

Sure enough, upon researching I found that throughout Europe the advice is to check it at 240,000km (144,000 miles) and then check every iirc 40,000km (24,000 miles). The only country to recommend different is VW UK. 😄 

What a bunch of gouging pirates.

Just think how many people they are conning in this way. The joke is that when they change it the only guarantee it for 5 years. 🤣

 

Worse than that, VW UK will also require this on the  VW ID3, ID4 , E-UP and E-Golf too, pirates. 

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5 minutes ago, UmBongo said:

Volkswagen have got to claw back those Diesel Gate fines somehow! ;)

Yet another of those conspiracy theories involving the world's largest companies that turned out to be well......totally correct. 

Corrupt cunts. 

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Andersen

It doesn't sound like VW have got the hang of this "progress" malarky, I changed the cambelt on a 30 YO VW Golf last week: 20 minutes , no need to look at the workshop manual, no special tools needed, and half of the parts came apart after undoing nice easy-access clips ...

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It's age, in years, that's important here. Not miles. In fact I'd trust a belt that's 6 years old but been run every day more than one that's 3 years old and has been left sitting for weeks at a time. And it should be inspected at every service, because you're looking for nicks and cuts caused by debris, which can strike the belt at any time.

Service intervals can depend on climate. VW UK will specify service intervals that work for Land's End and John O'Groats.

Change it. £550 might sound a lot, but it's about six tanks of fuel, and it's cheaper than new valves and a piston or two.

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If it makes you feel any better, one of my cars has a cambelt service interval of three years. There are two of them, and the whole engine has to come out to change them.

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11 hours ago, AWW said:

It's age, in years, that's important here. Not miles. In fact I'd trust a belt that's 6 years old but been run every day more than one that's 3 years old and has been left sitting for weeks at a time. And it should be inspected at every service, because you're looking for nicks and cuts caused by debris, which can strike the belt at any time.

Service intervals can depend on climate. VW UK will specify service intervals that work for Land's End and John O'Groats.

Change it. £550 might sound a lot, but it's about six tanks of fuel, and it's cheaper than new valves and a piston or two.

Much cheaper.

Much. 

On 07/03/2022 at 20:10, Loki said:

@Carl Fimble can probably do it for less, he's now got a very particular set of skills. Skills he has acquired over a very short career. Skills that make him a nightmare for garages like that. 

I can't even. 

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Carl Fimble
11 hours ago, AWW said:

If it makes you feel any better, one of my cars has a cambelt service interval of three years. There are two of them, and the whole engine has to come out to change them.

Fancy bastard! 

Two, on one car!

What is it??

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King Penda
On 09/03/2022 at 09:42, Carl Fimble said:

Fancy bastard! 

Two, on one car!

What is it??

No idea but mines got a chain on it

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Caravan Monster
On 10/03/2022 at 16:10, King Penda said:

No idea but mines got a chain on it

My elderly VW LT35 has gear driven timing, which is nice and maintenance free.

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ashestoashes

and yet the forums have stories of cam belts failing, they certainly stretch plus bearings get worn and water pumps go bad, so you'd be a bit of a gambler to try and make it last longer.

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the gardener
On 08/03/2022 at 21:52, AWW said:

It's age, in years, that's important here. Not miles. In fact I'd trust a belt that's 6 years old but been run every day more than one that's 3 years old and has been left sitting for weeks at a time. And it should be inspected at every service, because you're looking for nicks and cuts caused by debris, which can strike the belt at any time.

Service intervals can depend on climate. VW UK will specify service intervals that work for Land's End and John O'Groats.

Change it. £550 might sound a lot, but it's about six tanks of fuel, and it's cheaper than new valves and a piston or two.

It's not like a fan belt which is exposed to the elements. The timing belt has covers protecting it. £550 might sound a lot because it is a lot. Until recently that was one year's fuel costs, now it's 6 month's. Besides £550 of utterly unnecessary expenditure can never be described as cheap.

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On 08/03/2022 at 22:53, AWW said:

If it makes you feel any better, one of my cars has a cambelt service interval of three years. There are two of them, and the whole engine has to come out to change them.

My Lancia has three years replacement intervals and as all the other belts, and the bearings have to come off to do it they get replaced as well. Fortunately it's now serviced by a specialist who knows all the tricks so the labour costs are very reasonable.

Last belt change with all bearings replaced - labour cost £396.75.

Parts four (yes four!) belts and bearings £183

 

 

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23rdian

Belts are a pain in the arse if you want to see truly crap design have a look at the wet belts they are now fitting instead of chains to cut down on engine noise.

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5 hours ago, the gardener said:

It's not like a fan belt which is exposed to the elements. The timing belt has covers protecting it. £550 might sound a lot because it is a lot. Until recently that was one year's fuel costs, now it's 6 month's. Besides £550 of utterly unnecessary expenditure can never be described as cheap.

It might well have covers, but unless it's totally enclosed (which it might well be, but it's not been on any car I've worked on), crap can still get in there and cause problems.

If you think it's unnecessary, why does the price matter?

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4 hours ago, Option5 said:

My Lancia has three years replacement intervals and as all the other belts, and the bearings have to come off to do it they get replaced as well. Fortunately it's now serviced by a specialist who knows all the tricks so the labour costs are very reasonable.

Last belt change with all bearings replaced - labour cost £396.75.

Parts four (yes four!) belts and bearings £183

What have you got, out of interest? I'd love to park an Integrale or an 037 in the garage. 

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4 hours ago, 23rdian said:

Belts are a pain in the arse if you want to see truly crap design have a look at the wet belts they are now fitting instead of chains to cut down on engine noise.

I thought wet belts were more about emissions than engine noise? Less friction, higher mpg, fewer emissions.

Just had a look at the recommended interval for Ford's wet belts. 150k miles. Mental.

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