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Not as green as they are cabbage looking: growing our way out of brexit

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I thought this one deserves a thread of its own, just for the double good double think. 

After telling us that brexit is bad as we will have no one to harvest the fields, they now tell us that if we can't reach a brexit deal, we will ask farmers to grow more food.  

Given that all the farm buildings in my neck of the woods have been turned into holiday lets and all the market gardens shut, the infrastructure may pose a slight problem. 

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OK, we will dig up any remaining school playing fields and playgrounds and get the school kids to do "gardening" in their breaks and for PE lessons. Then we will make them cook whatever they can grow each day for school lunches. (Instead of geography of PHSE or whatever.) This neatly solves the problem of not enough farm labourers, of kids getting too fat, of kids growing up not knowing where food comes from/being able to cook etc. They will soon learn to make an effort and to find better recipes if the alternative is boiled carrots for lunch every day? Everyone else (who is able bodied and not at school) should dig for a successful Brexit in their back gardens (if they have one) and the neigbouring kids can then teach their elders whatever they learned in school about growing good stuff to eat. I admit the "school veg patch" has been tried in some schools on a smaller scale before, but it was quite successful I thought? So we just need to roll it out nationally ... and make it compulsory? :D

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3 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

On what planet does anyone think that, because we don't have a trade deal with the EU, people won't sell us food? That makes absolutely no sense and, even if the EU was barmy enough to try it, the rest of the planet would be only too happy to step into the breach and, in many cases, for less money once the crazy EU external food tariffs were no longer in force. As for people to pick British food, as others have said, even assuming the government doesn't introduce an agricultural migrant worker scheme, there's plenty of available labour if suitably incentivized. 

It is bonkers.  The thing about trade deals is getting people to buy your exports, not importing stuff.  Food won't be a problem.

I suppose selling-stuff might be a problem; I'm sure we'll hear loads about the companies massively affected, nothing about the new companies and expansions that the opportunities from Brexit will bring.

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1 minute ago, dgul said:

It is bonkers.  The thing about trade deals is getting people to buy your exports, not importing stuff.  Food won't be a problem.

I suppose selling-stuff might be a problem; I'm sure we'll hear loads about the companies massively affected, nothing about the new companies and expansions that the opportunities from Brexit will bring.

Well obviously according to the So-Called BBC, Graun etc. everything is going to be the fault of Brexit pretty much forever. For normal people (e.g. the ones that know how much food in a supermarket costs) things like New Zealand lamb suddenly dropping 20% in price (assuming we do a free trade deal with them which looks extremely likely give they already have more or less zero external tariffs themselves) will override that.

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1 hour ago, One percent said:

I thought this one deserves a thread of its own, just for the double good double think. 

After telling us that brexit is bad as we will have no one to harvest the fields, they now tell us that if we can't reach a brexit deal, we will ask farmers to grow more food.  

Given that all the farm buildings in my neck of the woods have been turned into holiday lets and all the market gardens shut, the infrastructure may pose a slight problem. 

Indeed.

One of my local farmers has started growing solar panels...

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/peterlee-solar-farm-plan-gets-the-go-ahead-1-7657602

 

XYY

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5 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

Indeed.

One of my local farmers has started growing solar panels...

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/peterlee-solar-farm-plan-gets-the-go-ahead-1-7657602

 

XYY

Farmers will always grow what makes the most money - if turnips become more profitable than electricity then he'll be out there with his bulldozer pronto. I still remember the shift from wheat to oil seed rape in the 70s around my way - it took maybe 3 years max for the entire area to turn yellow in summer.

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3 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

The latest BBC scare story. Loads of countries are desperate for us to buy their cheap food; no more paying over the odds for expensive European food.

Tatty bye Junckers.

Have we not got a massive trade deficit with the eu?  Who needs who more?  :)  the old rule applies. Don't blink. 

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Agriculture is one of those "industries" that probably makes the country poorer...

We give farmers billions in subsidies and subsidise their workers as well. We let them away with lots of tax breaks like no inheritance tax on farm land and no council tax.

Do we get any thanks from farmers for the billions we throw at them? No they spend their entire time moaning and wanting more subsidies.

Farmers can basically fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

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5 minutes ago, Great Guy said:

Agriculture is one of those "industries" that probably makes the country poorer...

We give farmers billions in subsidies and subsidise their workers as well. We let them away with lots of tax breaks like no inheritance tax on farm land and no council tax.

Do we get any thanks from farmers for the billions we throw at them? No they spend their entire time moaning and wanting more subsidies.

Farmers can basically fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

Given that, we may as well insist that they actually grow stuff, rather than be paid to set aside. 

My old mam used to say, there is no such thing as a poor farmer. (I grew up on the edge of a farming community) 

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5 minutes ago, Great Guy said:

Agriculture is one of those "industries" that probably makes the country poorer...

We give farmers billions in subsidies and subsidise their workers as well. We let them away with lots of tax breaks like no inheritance tax on farm land and no council tax.

Do we get any thanks from farmers for the billions we throw at them? No they spend their entire time moaning and wanting more subsidies.

Farmers can basically fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

Steady on!  I've met some out and out twats who are farmers so I'm certainly not a fan (I think it's the lack of socialisation they have through spending most of their wokring lives on their own) but this privileged life is really not the case for 90% of them.  Scraping a living on a loss making farm whilst doing one or two other jobs to keep their head above water is more like it.

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

Steady on!  I've met some out and out twats who are farmers so I'm certainly not a fan (I think it's the lack of socialisation they have through spending most of their wokring lives on their own) but this privileged life is really not the case for 90% of them.  Scraping a living on a loss making farm whilst doing one or two other jobs to keep their head above water is more like it.

There is a world of difference between tenant farmers and the large landowners. The landowners can rake in massive subsidies (sf the dutchies of Cornwall and Lancashire). The tenant farmer is living a subsistence life. I know ex dairy farmers who had to give it up after foot and mouth. They just never recovered 

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

Given that, we may as well insist that they actually grow stuff, rather than be paid to set aside. 

My old mam used to say, there is no such thing as a poor farmer. (I grew up on the edge of a farming community) 

Me nana would offer the following pearl of wisdom to any family debate about farmers.

Have you ever seen a farmer riding a bike..?

(awkward silence)

No - me neither...

 

 

XYY

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Just now, The XYY Man said:

Me nana would offer the following pearl of wisdom to any family debate about farmers.

Have you ever seen a farmer riding a bike..?

(awkward silence)

No - me neither...

 

 

XYY

Tbf, my mate at school, her dad was a tenant shepherd for the local lord. Tied cottage and everything. We used to take his bate box out onto the moors for him sometimes. Talk about a hard life. A lovely bloke though. 

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7 hours ago, One percent said:

 

Given that all the farm buildings in my neck of the woods have been turned into holiday lets and all the market gardens shut, the infrastructure may pose a slight problem. 

Nail on head.

I also see farmers selling of parts of their fields (for agriculture worth 6k an acre) for a paddock for 25k the only expense required is shed for a horse and a steel fence. 18k profit per acre. 

 

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