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Thought I would start a wine thread as I have been getting into my wine recently. I figured I had to cut down my consumption so decided I would up the quality. I find the research quite interesting and spend hours a day at work looking at wine websites. I signed up to the Wine Society just under a year ago and I think it is great, though I am now having to spread my net wider in order to find specific wines. Taste is largely subjective so there is a risk that the whole thing becomes pretentious, fart-smelling nonsense. I do enjoy finding new wines though! Any good suggestions would be welcome, preferably for wines that do not cost the earth. Here is my favourite wine, from my favourite winery, Muga:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/ 

https://www.thewinesociety.com/

https://www.vivino.com/

http://www.bodegasmuga.com/en/muga-reserva-seleccion-especial/

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Chilean Carmenere.

Kiwi Sauvignon Blanc.

I'm hoping when (if) we leave the EU, there'll be a quid knocked off the price of a bottle as we wont need to keep our euro chums happy by slapping tax on worldwide imports.

Ive not bought a bottle of european wine for yonks.

The "new world" does it much better and cheaper.

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I refuse because every time I find a cheaper wine I like, within 2-3 years it's not cheap any more!

However this isn't giving anything away as it's already 10 quid and upwards a bottle. Red Sancerre is very under-rated by the Brits, or used to be, who mostly think it's all Sauvignon Blanc. Better value than Burgundy IMO. There are a few to choose from.

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Oohhh a wine thread thank you. :)

i was a bit disappointed with your link @billfunk.  The button says download a bottle. All I got was a picture.  

More seriously, l like a Loire white.  I don't go much on whites or French.  I think French read is seriously overrated, at least the stuff they sell here.  

Malbec, Chilean or any new world is often good.  When in America I was drinking Californian reds which were seriously good.  They don't appear to travel well. 

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4 minutes ago, shindigger said:

Chilean Carmenere.

Kiwi Sauvignon Blanc.

I'm hoping when (if) we leave the EU, there'll be a quid knocked off the price of a bottle as we wont need to keep our euro chums happy by slapping tax on worldwide imports.

Ive not bought a bottle of european wine for yonks.

The "new world" does it much better and cheaper.

Not true any more. The Froggies upped their game quite a while back now.

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I'd second the recommendations on the Malbec and Chilean/ Argentinian wines generally and would also recommend Sicilian Nero d'Avola.  I'd also agree with Swissy that the Froggies have improved a lot.  Sadly the German reds leave a lot to be desired!

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I am a big fan of Portuguese reds - but only when in Portugal. A Douro or Dao is usually very reliable.

However, they seem to only ship the rubbish to us - and our great economy then slaps a massive hike in price on it so that something that should be £6 ends up as £15. Probably because 90% of wine buyers do not actually know what they are doing and think £15 - must be good!

My restaurant owning mate used to laugh at the pretentious in his restaurant. In his view, the house was usually the best wine you would get value wise. The one priced just up from the house was usually whatever unknown rubbish he could get his hands on to catch those that didn't want to be seen as cheap. He would also lob in a couple of expensive unknowns for those with more money than knowledge. 

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Every Aus red that I've had from from McLaren Vale has been extremely good, albeit sadly the prices are beginning to reflect that!

My favourite Rioja at the moment is probably Beronia Reserva with Faustino V (Reserva) or I (Gran reserva) as reliable fall-backs.

All said though, the best French is unbeatable when I can afford it.

 

Edited by Turned Out Nice Again

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1 minute ago, Cunning Plan said:

I am a big fan of Portuguese reds - but only when in Portugal. A Douro or Dao is usually very reliable.

However, they seem to only ship the rubbish to us - and our great economy then slaps a massive hike in price on it so that something that should be £6 ends up as £15. Probably because 90% of wine buyers do not actually know what they are doing and think £15 - must be good!

My restaurant owning mate used to laugh at the pretentious in his restaurant. In his view, the house was usually the best wine you would get value wise. The one priced just up from the house was usually whatever unknown rubbish he could get his hands on to catch those that didn't want to be seen as cheap. He would also lob in a couple of expensive unknowns for those with more money than knowledge. 

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Have you tried this yet? It's amazing - I brought back 6 boxes of it from Roscoff on our way home from France this year. sadly it's all gone.

 

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7 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

I am a big fan of Portuguese reds - but only when in Portugal. A Douro or Dao is usually very reliable.

However, they seem to only ship the rubbish to us - and our great economy then slaps a massive hike in price on it so that something that should be £6 ends up as £15. Probably because 90% of wine buyers do not actually know what they are doing and think £15 - must be good!

My restaurant owning mate used to laugh at the pretentious in his restaurant. In his view, the house was usually the best wine you would get value wise. The one priced just up from the house was usually whatever unknown rubbish he could get his hands on to catch those that didn't want to be seen as cheap. He would also lob in a couple of expensive unknowns for those with more money than knowledge. 

+1. The house wine has to be at least decent, eg. the Montepulciano at Pizza Eexpress.

Speaking of Protuguese reds, Safeway years ago used to do one called Portada that actually tasted and smelled of chocolate - I kid you not!

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2 minutes ago, Turned Out Nice Again said:

+1. The house wine has to be at least decent, eg. the Montepulciano at Pizza Eexpress. 

Yes. That one is quite drinkable.

For me 9 times out of 10 it will be a Chilean Merlot which always seems to be plenty good enough.

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12 minutes ago, sukuinage said:

I'd second the recommendations on the Malbec and Chilean/ Argentinian wines generally and would also recommend Sicilian Nero d'Avola.  I'd also agree with Swissy that the Froggies have improved a lot.  Sadly the German reds leave a lot to be desired!

I have one of these lined up for 28th October:

Also, the Wine Society do a great Sicilian Red for £8.50. I get bubblegum from it. Very nice. I think Sicily is an area I may do more "research" on. Apparently they fucked up their terroir in the late 20th century due to overfarming. It is recovering slowly, but prices remain affordable.

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21 minutes ago, LC1 said:

We don't drink much wine these days, but when we do it's usually this stuff:

https://www.majestic.co.uk/wines/cotes-du-rhone-06234

Gone are the days of getting a half decent bottle of wine for around a fiver, we only use those for cooking now! 

Happy to say that I can still find pretty good wines for about 6-7 Euros. Not 100% reliably if I try new ones, about a 25% chance of a miss using my "system" of choosing, but I have a number of reliable ones if I can't be bothered to try a new one.

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1 hour ago, billfunk said:

Thought I would start a wine thread as I have been getting into my wine recently. I figured I had to cut down my consumption so decided I would up the quality. I find the research quite interesting and spend hours a day at work looking at wine websites. I signed up to the Wine Society just under a year ago and I think it is great, though I am now having to spread my net wider in order to find specific wines. Taste is largely subjective so there is a risk that the whole thing becomes pretentious, fart-smelling nonsense. I do enjoy finding new wines though! Any good suggestions would be welcome, preferably for wines that do not cost the earth. Here is my favourite wine, from my favourite winery, Muga:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/ 

https://www.thewinesociety.com/

https://www.vivino.com/

http://www.bodegasmuga.com/en/muga-reserva-seleccion-especial/

 

I know fuck all about wine (relatively) but the company I work for build and run the wine searcher website. I've worked on it but don't currently, we also do Berry Brothers and Rudd and a fair few other wine merchants. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cunning Plan said:

I am a big fan of Portuguese reds - but only when in Portugal. A Douro or Dao is usually very reliable.

However, they seem to only ship the rubbish to us - and our great economy then slaps a massive hike in price on it so that something that should be £6 ends up as £15. Probably because 90% of wine buyers do not actually know what they are doing and think £15 - must be good!

My restaurant owning mate used to laugh at the pretentious in his restaurant. In his view, the house was usually the best wine you would get value wise. The one priced just up from the house was usually whatever unknown rubbish he could get his hands on to catch those that didn't want to be seen as cheap. He would also lob in a couple of expensive unknowns for those with more money than knowledge. 

If a restaurant can't sell a half decent house wine then why would you expect any of the other items on the list to be worth drinking. Not that I have a very discerning palette when it comes to wine. All I would say is that a rough red wine is probably more passable as a drink than the multitude of indifferent white wines out there. 

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49 minutes ago, gilf said:

I know fuck all about wine (relatively) but the company I work for build and run the wine searcher website. I've worked on it but don't currently, we also do Berry Brothers and Rudd and a fair few other wine merchants. 

 

 

Any links to Amber or her bro?

I know they like to dabble in saudi arms sales.

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1 minute ago, Virgil Caine said:

If a restaurant can't sell a half decent house wine then why would you expect any of the other items on the list to be worth drinking. Not that I have a very discerniing palette when it comes to wine. All I would say is that a rough red wine is probably more passable as a drink than the multitude of indifferent white wines out there. 

A rough red wine improves considerably if served at cellar, rather than room, temperature.

 

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1 hour ago, LC1 said:

We don't drink much wine these days, but when we do it's usually this stuff:

https://www.majestic.co.uk/wines/cotes-du-rhone-06234

Gone are the days of getting a half decent bottle of wine for around a fiver, we only use those for cooking now! 

Ive been drinking this for about 10 years now.

Its fantastic for the money in my view.

http://wine.coop.co.uk/co-op-fairtrade-carmenere.html

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2 minutes ago, shindigger said:

Ive been drinking this for about 10 years now.

Its fantastic for the money in my view.

http://wine.coop.co.uk/co-op-fairtrade-carmenere.html

I used to buy that quite often in my wine quoffing days :) Good to hear that it's still quite good value. 

I'm not really a wine snob, but drinking considerably less seemed to go hand-in-hand with not being able to enjoy the cheaper bottles as much. There was usually always a slight aftertaste, or metallic undertone, or something else that prevented me from enjoying them. 

I think I always assumed that quality had dropped at that price point, but can completely accept that it may just have been my palate becoming more sophisticated, haha!

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I think the truth about wine was revealed at a wine tasting competition I went to years ago. It started off very civilised but in the end everyone got plastered and every bottle got consumed even the stuff people thought was a bit naff.

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