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Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales


Big Boy

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Frank Hovis

Stupid move.

I have seen several accidents in the last few years and they have all been caused by excess speed - usually motorcyclists getting carried away - or people not looking properly at roundabouts and junctions.

I would find it hard to conceive of a real world circumstance where driving at 20mph rather than 30mph has prevented an accident.

 

And just look at the misuse of statistics to support this move; the road or zone may be 30mph but I doubt that the drivers causing the accidents were going at that speed.  Just enforce the current legislation properly you bunch of impotent no marks.

 

Latest police data shows the largest proportion - exactly half - of the 5,570 people hurt in collisions in Wales happened on 30mph roads.

The statistics also show that more than 40% of the 1,131 people killed or seriously injured on Welsh roads in 2018 were in 30mph zones.

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Option5

I wonder how that works, a speedometer isn't required to be calibrated below 40kph (just under 25mph) and any vehicle with a top speed below 25mph doesn't require a speedometer.

I can just imagine all the lycra clad racing cyclists speeding past rows of cars 9_9

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Option5
3 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

The statistics also show that more than 40% of the 1,131 people killed or seriously injured on Welsh roads in 2018 were in 30mph zones.

I remember when the government decreed that meat and potato pies had to be called potato and meat pies as the original name was misleading with regard to volume of which ingredient was greater.*

, more people were killed than seriously injured?

Also seriously injured usually means that they were admitted to hospital. Young children for instance are routinely admitted for observation as they can't be relied upon to accurately describe their symptoms.

*Should really  have been renamed pastry, potato and meat pie.

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35 minutes ago, Big Boy said:

Two thirds of the speed gives a 50% longer journey time too - not insignificant.

The article states that Scotland is set to follow suit in 2025.

 

So far I've seen the opposite of what they intended. 

Road rage, tailgating and dangerous overtakes are now constant occurances in Cardiff on 20mph roads while as you say adding a lot of time to journeys. 

At the same time they're merging together all forms of travel, such as below where you have to drive across cyclists paths to pull off the road. 

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They have bike lanes crossing over junctions with extra traffic lights and cycles for them which isn't terrible, but that's another large increase in travel time. 

There's also another new things they're doing, pavements do not end and become a road at a side street, instead the road ends and crosses over the pavement?!? Anyone with a brain would see how a car could get stuck unable to pull across if the pavement is busy and it's also impossible to see up and down the road before you've pulled across the entire pavement. 

 

They can't do anything without fucking it up, so these bike traffic lights are not at bike height so drivers/riders don't get confused.. No, these are exactly the same as a normal traffic light, right next to each other too, just the bike one is lit up with an image of a bike.. 

I'm sure noone will ever confuse a green light for a slightly different brightness of green light. 

 

They also do not enforce any traffic laws unless you're in a car, and even then not often. 

You'll regularly see bikes going through reds in front of police vehicles if you drive around Cardiff, not once seen a bike or moped pulled over. 

 

I would be willing to put money on accidents and deaths increasing as they keep fucking around with things, as always happens when they touch something. 

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These the same numbnuts that came up with the idea of 'smart' motorways? xD

Counter intuitive to the green agenda with all that extra road time at inefficient speeds. xD

Time to get a banger and register it in someone else's name at the same address, they don't check authenticity or driving licence afaik so wonder what happens to the points through the post when it was a phantom relative driving? xD

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1 hour ago, Chewing Grass said:

Thin end of the wedge?

 

nah, it's because most welsh still use steam traction engines or sheep drawn carriages so their average speed is way lower than 30mph. They are think getting the Welsh to skip ice altogether and go straight to EV's were at 20mph max range would be doubled vs 50-60mph. 

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Carl Fimble
11 hours ago, Big Boy said:

Two thirds of the speed gives a 50% longer journey time too - not insignificant.

The article states that Scotland is set to follow suit in 2025.

 

We've had 20MPH limits (twenty is plenty, goes the slogan) in Edinburgh for a few years now. What worries me about it is that 40MPH is double the limit, and so could result in the loss of a licence. Luckily most people don't actually do 20.

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King Penda
10 minutes ago, markyh said:

nah, it's because most welsh still use steam traction engines or sheep drawn carriages so their average speed is way lower than 30mph. They are think getting the Welsh to skip ice altogether and go straight to EV's were at 20mph max range would be doubled vs 50-60mph. 

They will be overtaken by cyclists and people on electric scooters even some mobility scooters can do 14mph 

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13 minutes ago, King Penda said:

They will be overtaken by cyclists and people on electric scooters even some mobility scooters can do 14mph 

They will make everything shit until you do what they want.

We can't make EV's better so let's make cars worse.

We can't make anything better so let's make everything worse.

Take a bike.... It's quicker!

Ride a bus to be on time.

Here's the economy, let's throw sand and rubble into it's gears.

You will own nothing, and not own it by getting where you want to go very slowly.

People are the work horse of the economy so sitting around for 4 hours doing 20 MPH is great!

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King Penda
3 minutes ago, XswampyX said:

They will make everything shit until you do what they want.

We can't make EV's better so let's make cars worse.

We can't make anything better so let's make everything worse.

Take a bike.... It's quicker!

Ride a bus to be on time.

Here's the economy, let's throw sand and rubble into it's gears.

You will own nothing, and not own it by getting where you want to go very slowly.

People are the work horse of the economy so sitting around for 4 hours doing 20 MPH is great!

Yep it’s about forceing people onto buses ebikes etc new cars all have to be sold now that have speed limiters in them next will be pay per mile and at different rates ie peak .they won’t stop until they have total control of our use of energy be it petrol derv gas or electric it will all be banded and you will be peanilised if you use it at peak times

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47 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

We've had 20MPH limits (twenty is plenty, goes the slogan) in Edinburgh for a few years now. What worries me about it is that 40MPH is double the limit, and so could result in the loss of a licence. Luckily most people don't actually do 20.

Nobody seems to bother following the 20 mph limits they've already put in place in Wales either.

Lots of stuff is illegal now, but with no enforcement.

It's farcical. 

 

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Carl Fimble
13 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

Nobody seems to bother following the 20 mph limits they've already put in place in Wales either.

Lots of stuff is illegal now, but with no enforcement.

It's farcical. 

 

They're devaluing crime, as well as everything else. 

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Carl Fimble
1 hour ago, King Penda said:

They will be overtaken by cyclists and people on electric scooters even some mobility scooters can do 14mph 

They're the future as you say!

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King Penda
4 hours ago, Carl Fimble said:

Their boots are too small though.

You wait they will soon have little tow bars on them for little trailers or you can tow kids

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Mirror Mirror

As already mentioned, it’s not about saving lives by reducing speed, it’s about forcing people out of private cars, either by making journeys taking so long that it’s not worth it, or making it almost impossible to drive without getting points and thus losing your licence.

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King Penda
11 minutes ago, Mirror Mirror said:

As already mentioned, it’s not about saving lives by reducing speed, it’s about forcing people out of private cars, either by making journeys taking so long that it’s not worth it, or making it almost impossible to drive without getting points and thus losing your licence.

I tried 20 mph yesterday for interest on a quiet road it’s very impractical to hold 17/20mph

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