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Harriet Harman - vile anti-semitic 'joke' on BBC

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I can't see any mention of the disgusting, appalling jewish 'joke' that Harriet Harman said on national TV last night. Truly appalling thing to say.

I have no doubt that if someone had said similar about muslims then she would be at the front of Labour SJW's calling for apologies, sackings and, in this sinister 1984 world we are increasingly living in, perhaps even criminal prosecution. In fact, criminal prosectuion would be very likely IMPO.

I just saw this comment on Guido Fawkes' blog which gets to the point:

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Just replayed the clip and what she is basically saying is this:

1) People claim I am a humorless feminist
2) I say Andrew neil is a right wing racist
3) I'm going to come out live on TV with a shit old racist joke about jews to prove both (1) wrong and (2) right

A truly fucking bizzare glimpse into the fucked up world that is Harperson's head.

 

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She's got form with her nigger... erm I mean ginger jokes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/03/harriet-harman-criticised-recounting-antisemitic-joke-bbc-show/

The problem with much of the left is they are anti-jewish but dress it up with their "zionist" claptrap... we know it is just a smokescreen. What amazes me are the number of jews who have been drawn to the left from Karl-Marx onwards. They really do like it up 'em.

Erm, not that I'm quite sure what Harriet was on about, other than saying that Andrew Neil was anti jewish. I thought Neil was accused of being a Zionist by the left. They can't have it all ways.

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She was protesting that people find such jokes acceptable; she was saying they aren't and gave an example. Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Tabloid fodder. 

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I'm sure that even when the jokes in question were published by Guy's Hospital rag magazine few would have found them funny.  Most UK people would even have been a bit taken aback at the content. 

I expect quite a few would also think why on earth publish such jokes in a magazine with a connection to Guy's Hospital - but there was a level of free speech in those days .

My objection is that extreme out of order outlying examples such as that are now being used by the likes of Harman to try to clamp down on expressing any mild opinion on a variety of serious subjects that doesn't go along with the official authorised line.  

I think Neil was entirely right to be outraged that she seemed to want to involve him in the way she did.

 

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(there's a short video clip of part of the incident on BBC1's This Week in the telegraph link)

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14 minutes ago, LC1 said:

She was protesting that people find such jokes acceptable; she was saying they aren't and gave an example. Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Tabloid fodder. 

She could have made that point without gratuitously telling the whole joke, punchline and all, and without accusing the host of being an anti-Semite.

It was a pretty disgraceful performance for such a formal and public setting. This wasn't a drunken pub rant, this was national television.

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16 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

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Now, I hate Harman as much as the next sane person, but we can't have it all ways! She wasn't actually being antisemitic, was she? She was talking about anti-semitism. To say that you can't talk about it in an adult way, using examples, would be ridiculous. 

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1 minute ago, billfunk said:

She could have made that point without gratuitously telling the whole joke, punchline and all, and without accusing the host of being an anti-Semite.

It was a pretty disgraceful performance for such a formal and public setting. This wasn't a drunken pub rant, this was national television.

Hi billfunk. I didn't actually watch it, so I can't tell for sure. She is a vile person, no doubt. And so is Andrew Neill for that matter (hence why I can't bring myself to watch it!). But she gave an example, she wasn't telling the joke. It's a crucial difference, imo.

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4 minutes ago, LC1 said:

Now, I hate Harman as much as the next sane person, but we can't have it all ways! She wasn't actually being antisemitic, was she? She was talking about anti-semitism. To say that you can't talk about it in an adult way, using examples, would be ridiculous. 

I don't know about that. She seemed pretty smug about it. Considering the current state of the LP you do wonder whether they just think that they can get away with further and further such offensive comments against jewsish people, against the caucasians of the country, against the Christians.

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4 minutes ago, LC1 said:

Hi billfunk. I didn't actually watch it, so I can't tell for sure. She is a vile person, no doubt. And so is Andrew Neill for that matter (hence why I can't bring myself to watch it!). But she gave an example, she wasn't telling the joke. It's a crucial difference, imo.

She told the joke verbatim including the punchline alluding to Jews being burnt. It wasn't so much that it was offensive, it was, in that kind of way it was offensive when you heard in a secondary school playground - cheap and petty shock value. It was just really unnecessary, inappropriate and puerile. She must be sick in the head to think that that is how one should conduct themselves on live national TV.

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2 minutes ago, billfunk said:

It was just really unnecessary, inappropriate and puerile.

Fair play. I didn't really set out to defend her (what the fuck am I doing?!), but a lot of the antisemitism stuff around Labour has got my hackles up a bit. Can't help thinking a lot of it is some kind of hack job to destabilise the party, throw enough "racist!" mud and some of it will stick. The Israeli lobbyists also have a bad track record of interfering in UK politics with these kind of tactics, if people don't hum their tune to their satisfaction, so got to be wary of these kind of accusations sometimes I think.

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It's a tactic used to bludgeon and manipulate debate - using extreme and almost irrelevant examples to divert and distract the argument.   

I believe that's been pointed out before - it's very disappointing that the tactic still seems to meet with success even on a show like This Week and a bit disappointing that Neil didn't himself point that out at the time.

It's also shameful the way she tried to involve Neil personally in that particular thing - I expect her doing that was part of the tactic.  He was forced to defend his own persona rather than debate the point more generally.

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I don't know about other cultures but don't the British have a history of bad taste jokes. I have laughed at some shocking jokes not because they are particularly funny but because they are toe curlingly inappropriate things to say. Doesn't make me a racist, antisemitic bigot! Obviously you have to know your audience, some jokes you can tell your granny some you can't. This is just more PC outrage.

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At a meeting of the Labour Party’s Queens Park branch last night a member argued that supporters of Hezbollah should be allowed to remain in the party. An astonishing account of the meeting was tweeted by a Labour member who took part in the discussion:

https://order-order.com/2017/11/03/keep-hezbollah-members-labour-local-party-hears/

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“Last night Hampstead and Kilburn Conservatives were proud to mark a century since the Balfour Declaration. It’s frankly terrifying that Labour activists could be asked to justify why murderous terrorists such as Hezbollah should have no place in the Labour Party. Or that condemning terrorists could be seen as sowing division within Labour? When will the Labour Party get a grip on antisemitism?”

 

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In the meantime the media is distracted by the idea of anti-semitism which I don't think is a major problem in the UK (at least amongst the indigenous people) and other more serious issues yet again didn't receive their due attention.

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23 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

When will the Labour Party get a grip on Islam and its apologists more like. The media won't call a spade a spade so unfortunately it will continue.

"Anti-semitism" seems to be a common misnomer for Islamism in the MSM.

 

The reason is obvious. Labour are dependent on the Muslim block vote and anti-Semitism is fundamental to the religion of Islam .

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56 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

Your avatar is strangely disturbing.

We won't be getting any ex-young-actors from the Vic signing up here.

 

Regarding anti-Semitism, maybe I've missed something but afaik Jewish people seem to be doing very well in the UK, possibly better than any other religious/ethnic group, and are not (to date) suffering many attacks, no more than Joe Bloggs in the street is likely to suffer. So why would anyone be worrying about tasteless jokes? I doubt if they give a damn, probably too busy focusing on more important things like conversations with the International Development Secretary. :)

 

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1 hour ago, The Masked Tulip said:

I can't see any mention of the disgusting, appalling jewish 'joke' that Harriet Harman said on national TV last night. Truly appalling thing to say.

I have no doubt that if someone had said similar about muslims then she would be at the front of Labour SJW's calling for apologies, sackings and, in this sinister 1984 world we are increasingly living in, perhaps even criminal prosecution. In fact, criminal prosectuion would be very likely IMPO.

I just saw this comment on Guido Fawkes' blog which gets to the point:

 

 

Possibly because of the way the debate was slanted I don't think she got round to the equally awful Pakistani joke that in the past she had referred to and objected to (both of them apparently used as part of the foundation for parts of Labour policy and subsequently all main parties).  If Neil hadn't cut her short would she have got round to it.  Maybe and maybe not - I think likely the latter.

It's mentioned in the telegraph link below under "A Woman's Work".

I do think she was thinking of her electorate at the time as well as publicity seeking.  Maybe she thinks it's more voter friendly (as a whole - considering all communities in total) to portray one section in one way and to not mention the other.

 

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