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Welsh politican found dead after sleaze allegation/s?

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sacked from his Welsh Government job after allegations about his behaviour

Ive not really been following the westminster stuff about a minister touching a journos knee.

It seemed like a non story to me.

Has this guy topped himself over a fucking allegation?

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1 minute ago, JackieO said:

Ive not really been following the westminster stuff about a minister touching a journos knee.

It seemed like a non story to me.

Has this guy topped himself over a fucking allegation?

Seems that way at the moment.

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I take the point that he should be innocent until proven guilty but I can't help thinking that any normal person would need something pretty big on their conscience to react like that to such an allegation. I guess we wait to see what comes out.

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38 minutes ago, JackieO said:

Ive not really been following the westminster stuff about a minister touching a journos knee.

It seemed like a non story to me.

Has this guy topped himself over a fucking allegation?

Yet Bliar seems to think he is god personified. Weird how some politicians feel guilt whilst others, who really have committed a crime, not 

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3 minutes ago, NTB said:

I take the point that he should be innocent until proven guilty but I can't help thinking that any normal person would need something pretty big on their conscience to react like that to such an allegation. I guess we wait to see what comes out.

 

No. Lots of people are incredibly sensitive about any such allegations against them - something of a sexual nature such as this, or an allegation of cheating, theft, etc - that the allegation in itself is enough to send them into crisis.
 

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22 minutes ago, NTB said:

I take the point that he should be innocent until proven guilty but I can't help thinking that any normal person would need something pretty big on their conscience to react like that to such an allegation. I guess we wait to see what comes out.

Well as there was no formal hearing before he was suspended, no evidence was presented and the accused did not know the basis of the charges he might well think he was in Kafka's Trial where guilt and innocence are irrelevant to the process.   Moreover, if you have devoted a good part of your life to a party and a cause only to be ditched like a soiled tissue by the organisation them when it suits them one might not react altogether sanely to the treatment

Anyway he is dead now so people will be able to libel him without fear of legal redress and make his families grief even worse than it is now.

 

Edited by Virgil Caine

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Just now, One percent said:

Yet Bliar seems to think he is god personified. Weird how some politicians feel guilt whilst others, who really have committed a crime, not 

I suspect that Blair had a growing guilt eating away at him. I suspect that his conversion to Catholicism - the religion of absolution for all but especially for the rich and powerful - is perhaps an indicator of this.

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1 minute ago, The Masked Tulip said:

I suspect that Blair had a growing guilt eating away at him. I suspect that his conversion to Catholicism - the religion of absolution for all but especially for the rich and powerful - is perhaps an indicator of this.

Perhaps but you need a soul to feel guilt he sold his a long time ago m

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Just now, One percent said:

I would hope so. He has a lot to feel guilty about. My guess though is that he won't. Guilt is for the little people. 

Historically, lots of world leaders who have done terrible things have eventually run to the Catholic Church to be reassured that they will not burn for all eternity in Hell. I doubt that he is any different.

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1 hour ago, One percent said:

Maybe as a little boy he did. But agree, he shucked that harness off pretty quickly. 

He just met and married Cherie Booth, that would chill anyone's soul

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1 hour ago, One percent said:

Yet Bliar seems to think he is god personified. Weird how some politicians feel guilt whilst others, who really have committed a crime, not 

Bliar was on an enormous ego/power trip so didn't need sex.

I have said it before and I will say it again, these are the most dangerous politicians as they have no other interests to distract them.

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2 hours ago, Virgil Caine said:

 Carwyn Jones should resign rather than weeping crocodile tears on the TV.

Absolutely.

That's exactly what I posted in casting couch thread this afternoon. He should step down immediately, failing that tomorrow morning he should be suspended whilst there is an investigation. Then sacked.

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Guilty until the trial!  Welcome to the New Britain. 

The CPS lacks intellectual argument and there are innocent men going to prison. 

This is all part of the Grand Plan to emasculate the population and prepare for a nasty totalitarian Government. Goodbye Common Law and Hello to Corporate Law. Thank God I've only limited years left.

 

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2 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

No. Lots of people are incredibly sensitive about any such allegations against them - something of a sexual nature such as this, or an allegation of cheating, theft, etc - that the allegation in itself is enough to send them into crisis.
 

Whether it’s true or not at that stage we do not know but I can relate. I would be devasted if such a false allegation was made against me. 

Then you add on the fact that they’ve lost their job, they’re in the public limelight, reputation ruined publicly then its easy to see how it can snowball. 

Many of those that are innocent probably feel far more guilt and pain despite knowing their innocence than some of those that have been up to no good. 

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10 minutes ago, ste said:

Whether it’s true or not at that stage we do not know but I can relate. I would be devasted if such a false allegation was made against me. 

Then you add on the fact that they’ve lost their job, they’re in the public limelight, reputation ruined publicly then its easy to see how it can snowball. 

Many of those that are innocent probably feel far more guilt and pain despite knowing their innocence than some of those that have been up to no good. 

Yes, it never seemed to bother bill Clinton. "I never had intercourse with that woman". 

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49 minutes ago, Wahoo said:

Guilty until the trial!  Welcome to the New Britain. 

The CPS lacks intellectual argument and there are innocent men going to prison. 

This is all part of the Grand Plan to emasculate the population and prepare for a nasty totalitarian Government. Goodbye Common Law and Hello to Corporate Law. Thank God I've only limited years left.

 

From what I understand Sargeants case did not even get as far as the police let alone the CPS who at least have to bring a case in law before a court where the charges are laid out, the accused has right to representation and the evidence is tested before a jury

The issue here is that British citizens are being accused without knowing the charges. Worse they are often being investigated by members of the public who have no legal training, are put on trial by the media without rules of evidence where hearsay, rumour, innuendo and non expert opinion is taken as fact, no legal defence is considered, no legal representation allowed and where the accused is subjected to public humiliation to the point where they commit suicide.

FFS even in the charade of Nazi and Communist show trials they at least went through the motions of a court case, pretended to consider the evidence and allowed a token defence. At the moment in the UK we don't even bother with that pretence.

If Donald Trump was doing this one can just imagine the howls of rage from Amnesty, the PC brigade, SJWs , Human Rights Lawyers etc. Yet apparently this very same process is quite acceptable in modern Britain.

 

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19 minutes ago, ste said:

Whether it’s true or not at that stage we do not know but I can relate. I would be devasted if such a false allegation was made against me. 

Then you add on the fact that they’ve lost their job, they’re in the public limelight, reputation ruined publicly then its easy to see how it can snowball. 

Many of those that are innocent probably feel far more guilt and pain despite knowing their innocence than some of those that have been up to no good. 

 

He was also told on a Friday. Big corporates know not to fire people on a Friday as people have to go home, spend them weekend ruminating, often alone, and then you get suicides.

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3 hours ago, One percent said:

Yet Bliar seems to think he is god personified. Weird how some politicians feel guilt whilst others, who really have committed a crime, not 

Shame is like pain, you only feel it the first time.

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11 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

He was also told on a Friday. Big corporates know not to fire people on a Friday as people have to go home, spend them weekend ruminating, often alone, and then you get suicides.

In my experience of poor management, 16.00 on Friday is exactly the time gutless managers knife people, just moments before the manager themselves whisks out their office and scarpers off for the weekend comfortably dodging any uncomfortable confrontation or questions.

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