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Chewing Grass

Mysterious radio-active cloud over europe - last month

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As usual don't tell the plebs until its history.

I remember Chernobyl and no one new what was going on, and we had instruments in the labs going bonkers.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/10/563286253/mysterious-radioactive-cloud-over-europe-hints-at-accident-farther-east

European authorities are providing new details about a cloud of mysterious radioactive material that appeared over the continent last month.

Monitors in Italy were among first to detect the radioactive isotope ruthenium-106 on Oct. 3, according to a fresh report by France's Radioprotection and Nuclear Safety Institute, known as IRSN.

In total, 28 European countries saw the radioactive cloud, the report says.

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7 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

As usual don't tell the plebs until its history.

I remember Chernobyl and no one new what was going on, and we had instruments in the labs going bonkers.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/10/563286253/mysterious-radioactive-cloud-over-europe-hints-at-accident-farther-east

European authorities are providing new details about a cloud of mysterious radioactive material that appeared over the continent last month.

Monitors in Italy were among first to detect the radioactive isotope ruthenium-106 on Oct. 3, according to a fresh report by France's Radioprotection and Nuclear Safety Institute, known as IRSN.

In total, 28 European countries saw the radioactive cloud, the report says.

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Where is the red spot chewy?  My geography isn't that good. Somewhere in Russia or the old eastern block?  

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3 minutes ago, One percent said:

Ta.  So taking this a little further, the Russians have messed up with either weapons or power plants. 

No, I think it is a level down from that and is probably isotope production or experimentation of some sort.

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The Russians did do their biggest training exercise / alert re their nuclear forces for decades last month. Something could have gone wrong.

They have lots of underground bases in the Urals - several of them being command and control for the Russian leaders in time of war. For decades it has been said that many of these are actually nuclear powered. Quite a thing to hide in a bunker under a mountain with a nuclear reactor for company whilst hoping that no US nuclear warheads land on you.

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12 hours ago, One percent said:

Where is the red spot chewy?  My geography isn't that good. Somewhere in Russia or the old eastern block?  

Somewhere with a name like Magnitogorsk or Chelyabinsk

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15 hours ago, One percent said:

Ta.  So taking this a little further, the Russians have messed up with either weapons or power plants. 

I think it's good to be sceptical, but in this case the report by IRSN clearly states that a reactor or weapons incident wouldnt release ruthenium 106 on its own; there would be a lot of other isotopes floating around as well - which there aren't.

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Yeah it said milli bequerels per cubic metre were detected, as a bequerel is one nuclear disintigration per second, milli beq's is diddly squat in a cubic metre.

It would be like sitting at the side of the M25 for an hour in the hope of seeing a Reliant Robin drive past.

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9 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Yeah it said milli bequerels per cubic metre were detected, as a bequerel is one nuclear disintigration per second, milli beq's is diddly squat in a cubic metre.

It would be like sitting at the side of the M25 for an hour in the hope of seeing a Reliant Robin drive past.

Well, the number of disintegrations per second in a sample would also depend on the half-life ruthenium-106 as well as the concentration, and also they would have to know what element/isotope is the source of the radiation. What do they use for that, a mass spectrometer?

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51 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

I think they use a network of air samplers, each drawing large volumes of air through a filter paper.

The paper will then be removed and put in a gamma or mass spectrometer.

Thanks, interesting. I wonder how frequently they change the paper to test it - i.e. how quickly would we be warned of serious contamination?

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18 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

Thanks, interesting. I wonder how frequently they change the paper to test it - i.e. how quickly would we be warned of serious contamination?

Not very, they use other 'normal' intruments for that, they probably check these once a day or week to pick up such low readings.

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