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6 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

Did Nadhim Zahawi really just say that the Scots will drive to Newcastle to buy the cheap alcohol?

No wonder the north think MPs are out of touch. FFS buy the man a map.

Thats understandable as most British Asians only feel at home in large towns and cities so they can't compute distances.

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14 minutes ago, Green Devil said:

Question time is just a load of out of touch idiots talking shite. Best ignored.

Booze is a sedative.

I love it when the audience laugh at Emily Lady Nugee.

 

Haha, autocorrectamundo is at it again.

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8 hours ago, Green Devil said:

Question time is just a load of out of touch idiots talking shite. Best ignored.

Any mention of the biggst issue of the day according to the broadcast media, the rights of men/boys to wear makeup. Sounds like qusetion time is still a load of old shite then.

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Problem is that the booze manufacturers externalise the cleanup costs of their products.

The NHS already note which health conditions have been brought on by excessive use of alcohol. The cost of treating these conditions needs to be passed on to the alcohol industry on a company-by-company pro rata (by turnover or profit) basis.

After the NHS charges have been paid let the free market decide the price.

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6 minutes ago, billfunk said:

Problem is that the booze manufacturers externalise the cleanup costs of their products.

The NHS already note which health conditions have been brought on by excessive use of alcohol. The cost of treating these conditions needs to be passed on to the alcohol industry on a company-by-company pro rata (by turnover or profit) basis.

After the NHS charges have been paid let the free market decide the price.

But alcohol in moderation, particularly red wine is actually beneficial. A fairly pricy Rioja is unlikely to be contributing to alcohol related illness, unlike a six pack of Tenants Super. 

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2 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

But alcohol in moderation, particularly red wine is actually beneficial. A fairly pricy Rioja is unlikely to be contributing to alcohol related illness, unlike a six pack of Tenants Super. 

See you Jimmy....Don't forget the Bucky

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17 minutes ago, billfunk said:

Problem is that the booze manufacturers externalise the cleanup costs of their products.

The NHS already note which health conditions have been brought on by excessive use of alcohol. The cost of treating these conditions needs to be passed on to the alcohol industry on a company-by-company pro rata (by turnover or profit) basis.

After the NHS charges have been paid let the free market decide the price.

Do you think the manufacturers of White Star cider are under any illusions as to who their customer base are?

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24 minutes ago, billfunk said:

Problem is that the booze manufacturers externalise the cleanup costs of their products.

The NHS already note which health conditions have been brought on by excessive use of alcohol. The cost of treating these conditions needs to be passed on to the alcohol industry on a company-by-company pro rata (by turnover or profit) basis.

After the NHS charges have been paid let the free market decide the price.

Isn't that already covered in duty?

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4 minutes ago, eight said:

Do you think the manufacturers of White Star cider are under any illusions as to who their customer base are?

Teenagers who will either give up or move on to something else long before any serious long term consequences become likely? I don't think i've ever seen anyone over 20 drink that kind of stuff.

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Supermarkets continue to be the biggest problem here. Before the take-home market existed, duty and VAT were pretty much a floor (and strangely enough, a 'minimum price') and the on trade couldn't sell at a loss due to the wafer-thin margins that existed.

In comes Tesco et all, who are perfectly happy to take a blade to that floor, meaning margin's evaporated for them. In standard lager, that's roughly 60p for a 440ml can. So they're happy to make no money (in fact lose money) at certain times of the year to drive footfall into the stores (I've never seen any evidence that alcohol is a footfall driver - or drives any loyalty to that retailer or translates into a shopper spending on other goods to offset the margin loss).

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Oh and also, super-strength cider is mentioned several times on the case.

That's because "white" cider only has half the duty rate of normal cider!!

What would seem like an abvious solution is to bring it in line with the rest of cider (and in fact raise it to beer duty level - cider's duty was brought down years and years ago to encourage british makers compete against oversea beer producers). Worse still is micro-brew cider, which wait for it.......pays ZERO duty. some of the super-strength cider is paying ZERO duty!

But no...the whole industry has to suck it up...because extra revenue innit

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4 minutes ago, Thombleached said:

Supermarkets continue to be the biggest problem here. Before the take-home market existed, duty and VAT were pretty much a floor (and strangely enough, a 'minimum price') and the on trade couldn't sell at a loss due to the wafer-thin margins that existed.

In comes Tesco et all, who are perfectly happy to take a blade to that floor, meaning margin's evaporated for them. In standard lager, that's roughly 60p for a 440ml can. So they're happy to make no money (in fact lose money) at certain times of the year to drive footfall into the stores (I've never seen any evidence that alcohol is a footfall driver - or drives any loyalty to that retailer or translates into a shopper spending on other goods to offset the margin loss).

What problem? Drinking is on the decline.

If some people feel a need to drown their misery in cheap booze, do you really think making the booze more expensive is going to "fix" anything?

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