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Ratko Mladić, war criminal or last European patriot, or just a fat bloke in a uniform?

With the wave of moslem terrorist attacks that have hit Europe over the last decade his sentence today seems something of an anachronism.

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1 hour ago, davidg said:

Ratko Mladić, war criminal or last European patriot, or just a fat bloke in a uniform?

With the wave of moslem terrorist attacks that have hit Europe over the last decade his sentence today seems something of an anachronism.

Victor's justice.

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3 minutes ago, Bkkandrew said:

Victor's justice.

Well, he probably was actually a war criminal.

The problem comes in thinking that only one side is despicable.

[Apart from WWII.  Only the Nazis were bad in that one]

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3 hours ago, davidg said:

Ratko Mladić, war criminal or last European patriot, or just a fat bloke in a uniform?

With the wave of moslem terrorist attacks that have hit Europe over the last decade his sentence today seems something of an anachronism.

TL:DR

Or to put it another way - I was too busy admiring the new avatar.

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17 minutes ago, Virgil Caine said:

Lots of war crimes committed by all sides in the Yugoslav civil war but only certain of the participants were subjected to punishment at the Hague.

Muslims massacred whole hamlets during that war.

I don't believe the stories of what went on in internment camps either.

A large group left their safe haven and attempted to push through enemy lines 

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24 minutes ago, Virgil Caine said:

Lots of war crimes committed by all sides in the Yugoslav civil war but only certain of the participants were subjected to punishment at the Hague.

Quite.  Atrocities and war crimes on both sides.

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9 minutes ago, JFK said:

Quite.  Atrocities and war crimes on both sides.

I agree but at least hanging one of the fuckers out to dry  is a bit of pour encouragement pour les autres

Ps. I can't actually write in French and the Android autocorrect has decided to totally humilate me. 

Pps. He's an evil cunt who killed lots of people who didn't deserve it. He's now in prison forever. Whats not to like?

 

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20 minutes ago, Great Guy said:

At the time of the Yugoslav war I thought the Serbs were grade A wankers killing all the Muslims. I'm really not sure what to think now.

 

Yes we were brainwashed back then by the media, we didnt have the internet as we know it today to form an objective viewpoint. 

It was force fed:

Srebrenica

Srebrenica

Srebrenica

Edited by WorkingPoor

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4 hours ago, davidg said:

Ratko Mladić, war criminal or last European patriot, or just a fat bloke in a uniform?

With the wave of moslem terrorist attacks that have hit Europe over the last decade his sentence today seems something of an anachronism.

Dunno. But I certainly know Tony Blair was a war criminal. Until that bastard is locked up, I have no faith in those that are passing judgement on those designated as war criminals.

(Personally, I'd like to see Blair strung up.)

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4 hours ago, dgul said:

Well, he probably was actually a war criminal.

The problem comes in thinking that only one side is despicable.

[Apart from WWII.  Only the Nazis were bad in that one]

The bit in brackets is you being funny?

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2 hours ago, Knock Out Johnny said:

I agree but at least hanging one of the fuckers out to dry  is a bit of pour encouragement pour les autres

Ps. I can't actually write in French and the Android autocorrect has decided to totally humilate me. 

Pps. He's an evil cunt who killed lots of people who didn't deserve it. He's now in prison forever. Whats not to like?

 

Blair and Bush would the best combo in the dock to send the warnings you are looking for.

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It's not an easy one.

I probably find the picking and choosing from this "World court" of who were the 'bad' ones and who were the 'good' ones more unpleasant than just accepting it's a war - both sides will do horrendous things - and thinking forward rather than looking back. 

Yes lots of people will get away with horrendous acts. But it's happening anyway. Only difference is a few from a certain side are being picked out to make an example of. Whilst there must be equally nasty fuckers from the other side's sitting there right now in their comfy homes pissing themselves at the end result.

 

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2 hours ago, dgul said:

'Suppose.  

[I find the Nazis interesting because they seem to be the only protagonist in wars ever that are regarded as absolutely bad.  You're not allowed to say 'the Nazis were bad, but they were initially only trying to get back the land lost in the arguably unfair terms of Versailles', as you'll next be called a sympathiser and, despite protestations of 'I clearly didn't mean that I thought they were good', you'll be a far-right Nazi from then on.

This is dangerous, because we all like to think of the Nazis as being something that we'd all protest at the time, or at least disapprove of internally even though outwardly we'd be going along with it because you'd be shot if you didn't.  But the reality is that the Nazis had immense public support at the time, even in the UK let alone Germany.

This has significant ramifications even now, which you see in the vilification of the far-right.  Oh -- I don't like the far-right particularly, but it does have an impact, because:

People don't listen to any argument from the far-right, as they're Nazis and we absolutely don't like Nazis.  But why ignore the far right but listen (sort of) to the far left.

The association with the far-right to neo-Nazi groups (all neo-Nazis are far right) seems to make people think the contraposition is true -- all far-right are neo-Nazis.  This then makes people ignore the non-skinhead, non-white far right groups, that might actually be as dangerous, if not more so, than the Nazis.

And, finally, to the point of this diatribe -- Mladic is clearly bad, because he's absolutely bad, and one of the Christian, white, etc, groups, and therefore an extremely right wing Nazi.  The other groups aren't Christian etc, therefore aren't Nazis.

There are plenty of potential 'Nazi-like groups' around at the moment.  Not all of them are too the far right.  Few of them are made up of white Christians.  Through blindness to the real risk, were dooming ourselves to repeat history.

Oh, and the Allies carpet bombed all the German cities, even residential areas and non-industrial towns.  Not a great behaviour.  And that's just the 'famous one'.]

I don't know about that. It's something I read about quite often, and I'm still unsure if the Nazis would be more accurately described as far-left rather than far-right. The term "National Socialism" shouldn't be taken literally, but if you look at their economic polices, the class warfare, the stance on animal rights and abortion, the nationalisation of everything, the way they denounced Christians as "far right" and so on.

Several founders of the Nazi Party were committed socialists, also. EG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

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1 hour ago, DocH said:

I vaguely remember the "starving man in concentration camp" and the claims that it was phony: haven't watched the clips in this item, but it addresses itself to the issue:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-bosnian-serb-death-camp-fabrication-pretext-for-r2p-humanitarian-intervention-1992-in-yugoslavia/5463541

 

 

 

 

Is it prohibited to discuss Srebrenica? 

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5 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

I don't know about that. It's something I read about quite often, and I'm still unsure if the Nazis would be more accurately described as far-left rather than far-right. The term "National Socialism" shouldn't be taken literally, but if you look at their economic polices, the class warfare, the stance on animal rights and abortion, the nationalisation of everything, the way they denounced Christians as "far right" and so on.

Several founders of the Nazi Party were committed socialists, also. EG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

Sorry, just taking on the 'far right' mantra as that is what everyone says.  Talking of the Nazis as far-left just gets everyone confused.  More accurate to say that they far-nationalistic with both social and certainly statist elements.  But most people just go, eh? at that stage.

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Big dose of left-wing syndicalism in national socialism and arguably in the modern SJW too, organising society around interest groups sounds a lot like SJW identity politics

Edited by Panther

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I’d recommend people watch the ‘Death of Yugoslavia’ documentary specifically the first episode. It’s 22 years old and was produced by the So-Called BBC. It gives some background to the problems in Kosovo that led to the civil war. It’s very anti Serb but does mention some key points, Kosovo was the homeland of Serbia, the ethnic Serbs were driven out by Albanian Muslims and the Serbs were then a minority, Kosovo was the poorest of all provinces in Serbia. I doubt the So-Called BBC would allow such statements in a modern documentary where Muslims are involved. 

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