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stokiescum

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ok,secure tenancy,fast repares,rent not insane,council will evict scummy neighbours,if you loose your job it doesnt matter,if you need care it doesnt matter they cant confiscate it,you can smoke in them and decorate them how you want.....and have pets.

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1 minute ago, stokiescum said:

ok,secure tenancy,fast repares,rent not insane,council will evict scummy neighbours,if you loose your job it doesnt matter,if you need care it doesnt matter they cant confiscate it,you can smoke in them and decorate them how you want.....and have pets.

Sounds like heaven. How do I get one?

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22 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

ok,secure tenancy,fast repares,rent not insane,council will evict scummy neighbours,if you loose your job it doesnt matter,if you need care it doesnt matter they cant confiscate it,you can smoke in them and decorate them how you want.....and have pets.

When I was a kid you were really down on your luck and pitied if you lived in a council house 

now it’s like winning the lottery 

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5 minutes ago, Malthus said:

When I was a kid you were really down on your luck and pitied if you lived in a council house 

now it’s like winning the lottery 

 

4 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

That's my current thinking.

Funny old world.

You say that, but the old views hang on a bit, obviously. Thinking of a thread elsewhere in the forum.

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The only thing I see as sad is when someone treats their council house like total shit. It is their home for life so I don't understand why they don't look after it.

This is especially true of the ones that live in a pigsty but don't work.

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7 minutes ago, One percent said:

Swim out about two miles in the English Channel.  Swim back, climb out exhausted and ask for asylum.   :)

The only family I know that live in local authority housing are from Madeira. They no doubt supplement their wages (both work as cleaners) with tax credits (the wife cleans people's houses - good opportunity for cash in hand).  Maybe they don't claim tax credits and I'm just a cynical racist bastard.

Still they do own two rental properties (in addition to the family home) in Madeira which are let to tourists. I'm am absolutely sure they declare the income from these rental properties, oh yes indeed. After all eveyone who owns three properties is entitled to council housing aren't they?

 

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12 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

 

You say that, but the old views hang on a bit, obviously. Thinking of a thread elsewhere in the forum.

Here in south west Scotland the old views have lingered. Over the years I’ve often heard people drop “it’s an ex council house” into the conversation when they’re talking about a house someone has bought.

Edited to add:- It’s probably been said about me as the one I live in now was a council house but many years ago. One of my neighbours bought his forty or fifty years ago for around £500. His father said to him “You’ll rue the day boy that you’ve borrowed all that money”

Edited by Economic Exile

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4 minutes ago, the gardener said:

The only family I know that live in local authority housing are from Madeira. They no doubt supplement their wages (both work as cleaners) with tax credits (the wife cleans people's houses - good opportunity for cash in hand).  Maybe they don't claim tax credits and I'm just a cynical racist bastard.

Still they do own two rental properties (in addition to the family home) in Madeira which are let to tourists. I'm am absolutely sure they declare the income from these rental properties, oh yes indeed. After all eveyone who owns three properties is entitled to council housing aren't they?

 

The fault for this kind of thing is not the people who exploit the system but those who designed and implemented it. If you put up a sign saying "Free Money", then people will come. Ask the bankers.

 

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5 minutes ago, the gardener said:

The only family I know that live in local authority housing are from Madeira. They no doubt supplement their wages (both work as cleaners) with tax credits (the wife cleans people's houses - good opportunity for cash in hand).  Maybe they don't claim tax credits and I'm just a cynical racist bastard.

Still they do own two rental properties (in addition to the family home) in Madeira which are let to tourists. I'm am absolutely sure they declare the income from these rental properties, oh yes indeed. After all eveyone who owns three properties is entitled to council housing aren't they?

 

It is perfectly justifiable to question why two people from overseas and who work as cleaners (a job anyone could do, hardly specialised) are given council property when there is a housing shortage. 

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Just now, One percent said:

It is perfectly justifiable to question why two people from overseas and who work as cleaners (a job anyone could do, hardly specialised) are given council property when there is a housing shortage. 

Yes. They are nice people, a lovely family. However I can't see how it's of any benefit to the UK to have them here.

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Well there are council houses, in undesirable areas, which aren't too hard to get, then there are council houses in nice areas that are very hard to get. I'm guessing when people long after a council house, it's not in the middle of shithouse estate.

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1 hour ago, Reebo said:

Well there are council houses, in undesirable areas, which aren't too hard to get, then there are council houses in nice areas that are very hard to get. I'm guessing when people long after a council house, it's not in the middle of shithouse estate.

Agreed. But it is not the location that makes it shit.

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2 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

Agreed. But it is not the location that makes it shit.

Yes it's the people. Although where I live the locals are starting to realise that their offspring aren't automatically going to be able to get a house on the estate like they did years ago. I think it's slowly changing the mindset of them having to give a shit about the house, as it's suddenly a rare thing.

There are some that can't be helped though.

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10 hours ago, Reebo said:

Well there are council houses, in undesirable areas, which aren't too hard to get, then there are council houses in nice areas that are very hard to get. I'm guessing when people long after a council house, it's not in the middle of shithouse estate.

And...

Council houses are there to meet a social need. Start off with nice neighbours then one gets replaced by a drug addict who has their "mates" round at all hours or a feral family.

The all round best is a council house amongst owner occupier houses and on social rent (c. 60% market rent) rather than affordable rent (c. 80% market rent).

And also ideally owned by a Housing Association rather than a Council as the HA will have been able to spend much more money on its upkeep; Council-owned stock is generally in a state of managed decline through initially the government funding formula and also now because they are taking money from its admin budgets to fund services in more need.

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20 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Council-owned stock is generally in a state of managed decline through initially the government funding formula and also now because they are taking money from its admin budgets to fund services in more need.

a fair point,would the services in more need include pensions ?

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1 minute ago, stokiescum said:

a fair point,would the services in more need include pensions ?

Adult social care primarily.

The LGPS pensions did have their first cut recently from final salary to average wage but are still far better than most people get and seem to be immune from closure.

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5 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Adult social care primarily.

The LGPS pensions did have their first cut recently from final salary to average wage but are still far better than most people get and seem to be immune from closure.

Another example of a race to the bottom on pensions. 

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5 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

 

And also ideally owned by a Housing Association rather than a Council as the HA will have been able to spend much more money on its upkeep; Council-owned stock is generally in a state of managed decline through initially the government funding formula and also now because they are taking money from its admin budgets to fund services in more need.

Very much depends on the HA. Some are pretty good from what I've heard. The one I had the pleasure of dealing with were the most incompetent, unpleasant, mentally deficient bunch of arseholes I have ever encountered under any circumstances. Ever. The lack of upkeep on their properties was the least of their problems.

Problem is, if you get a proper scumbag then the law is not - I'll just repeat this - is not, on your side. If you are a private tenant living next to someone like this then it's actually easier for the HA to wait for you to cave and move than it is for them to evict some dross. Even if they do pull their fingers out, the process can take years.

The social housing idea isn't a bad one. The problem is that the procedures that are in place to deal with those who abuse the system are hopelessly inadequate.

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