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How many dead people have you seen?

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A bit morbid I know but someone was ranting to me that if I came across on a dead migrant in the mountains while skiing (apparently they are attempting to cross the Echelle pass between Italy and France at the moment with 2 meters on the pass) I'd be pretty upset. He was going on about them "escaping a war zone", now I was in Italy in August and it didn't seem all that bad to me.

I thought back to what dead people I'd seen in the past.

1. Zoo station in Berlin in the late 80s, I came up the steps and there was a river of blood running down at the top a junkie who had a needle sticking out of his arm and all the blood had drained out of his body through the needle. I was young, I didn't really think much about it.

2. A car crash that happened in front of my car, there was a decapitated head on the side of the road. I read in the papers that 7 people had been killed in the pile up.

3. Another car crash, I stopped to see what I could do, a car had come round a wide bend and had hit a car with pensioners in it. It could have been me but I'd stopped to pick up a hitch hiker and the pensioner's car overtook me. There was a car with a fattish bloke poking out of a hole in the window in a ghoulish, twisted manner. Now this has haunted me. The pensioners had cuts from the accident but no blood flowed, they were almost dry inside! One had suffered a broken pelvis from the seatbelt. There was smoke blowing across the scene from the other car, its motor was running and wheels still turning, and there was some terrible French rap music blaring out, people were walking around like zombies, I turned off the engine and car stereo which brought some calm. The man who was sticking out of the windscreen made a groaning like an old bagpipe deflating. The rescue helicopter landed and I told the medic that I thought the man was still alive "nah, that's just air moving out of his lungs through his larynx".

Don't ever stop for a RTA, is my advice.

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I've seen one or two when I worked for the home office.

But I would say that the people who work with death every day -- I think it sort-of sucks the soul out of them.  I'm thankful that they do the work, but I wouldn't like to do it.

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In my early teens I worked in the kitchen at a social club. A man collapsed and died on the dance floor. It was very quick. I and the other girl I worked with had to clean his vomit off the dance floor. Incredibly the dancing etc carried on after he was carted away.

Same club a few years later a magician collapsed and died on stage. The audience was laughing at first, until he didn’t get back up,  because they thought it was part of the act. He was taken away but the show didn’t go on that night.

When I was in my thirties I was sitting with my terminally ill uncle and he peacefully sighed and it registered with me he was dead.

Saw my late father’s corpse after he died nearly ten years ago.

None of the above traumatised me.

I wouldn’t like to see any maimed people in accidents or attacks though. I imagine that would be traumatic and could haunt you.

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15 minutes ago, davidg said:

A bit morbid I know but someone was ranting to me that if I came across on a dead migrant in the mountains while skiing (apparently they are attempting to cross the Echelle pass between Italy and France at the moment with 2 meters on the pass) I'd be pretty upset. He was going on about them "escaping a war zone", now I was in Italy in August and it didn't seem all that bad to me.

 

Archaeologists will be poring over the remains in 2000'years wondering how the hell they got there 

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The one that sticks with me was, aged about 15, watching a guy on a motorbike lose control when coming round a corner towards me. He hit a lampost and just kind of... wrapped around it.

Some things are more shocking than others. Just a corpse, laid out all peaceful-like, not shocking at all now. I guess it depends what youve seen what shocks you?

Like you say, I wouldnt want to be someone whose job is attending traumatic deaths for all the tea in China. Thanks to those who do, from the bottom of my heart. They are some of societies real heroes.

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Used to do part time for a funeral directors collecting the dead. The thing that stuck with me is the smell which the mortuary staff said is from the alcohol used to clean up damaged bodies resulting from car crashes and suchlike.

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my dad in the icu after a heart attack 

5 soldiers killed in an IRA bomb 

both images will be with me for the rest of my life 

 

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Don’t ever stop for a RTA, is my advice.

That’s also the advice given to me by a friend and retired consultant (medicine) who says this is echoed across the health service at senior levels and it’s really only younger professionals with nothing to lose who’ll step in to save lives, harshly he tells me most don’t survive or at best they are left with life changing injuries and that in itself opens up a can of worms, the problem is an order of magnitude higher if you have no training whatsoever as any intervention will have you up in court explaining why you performed chest compressions on the deceased breaking a rib and puncturing his lung. You’ll be sued by the family for sure. 

I’ve witnessed 3 fatalities, 1 paragliding, another double fatality here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/8191839.stm where they joined my thermal and collided, downplaning to terra firma with a splat and one locally employed civilian (translator) that died next to me on the operating table in Iraq (we escorted the vehicle into the base so he could be operated on).

yes, I’m unphased too.

edit. re. the link the survivor later died (10 days later) from heart failure.

Edited by longtomsilver

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Some bits of someone spread down the side of a train I had been travelling in - it wasn't identifiable as a body though so I'm not sure it counts.

My dad when he died from cancer.

#1 was a bit yucky but nothing more. #2 will stay with me for the rest of my life.

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4 minutes ago, longtomsilver said:

one locally employed civilian (translator) that died next to me on the operating table in Iraq (we escorted the vehicle into the base so he could be operated on).

Didn't realise you'd been in Iraq. What was your role there?

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35 minutes ago, davidg said:

A bit morbid I know but someone was ranting to me that if I came across on a dead migrant in the mountains while skiing (apparently they are attempting to cross the Echelle pass between Italy and France at the moment with 2 meters on the pass) I'd be pretty upset. He was going on about them "escaping a war zone", now I was in Italy in August and it didn't seem all that bad to me.

I thought back to what dead people I'd seen in the past.

1. Zoo station in Berlin in the late 80s, I came up the steps and there was a river of blood running down at the top a junkie who had a needle sticking out of his arm and all the blood had drained out of his body through the needle. I was young, I didn't really think much about it.

2. A car crash that happened in front of my car, there was a decapitated head on the side of the road. I read in the papers that 7 people had been killed in the pile up.

3. Another car crash, I stopped to see what I could do, a car had come round a wide bend and had hit a car with pensioners in it. It could have been me but I'd stopped to pick up a hitch hiker and the pensioner's car overtook me. There was a car with a fattish bloke poking out of a hole in the window in a ghoulish, twisted manner. Now this has haunted me. The pensioners had cuts from the accident but no blood flowed, they were almost dry inside! One had suffered a broken pelvis from the seatbelt. There was smoke blowing across the scene from the other car, its motor was running and wheels still turning, and there was some terrible French rap music blaring out, people were walking around like zombies, I turned off the engine and car stereo which brought some calm. The man who was sticking out of the windscreen made a groaning like an old bagpipe deflating. The rescue helicopter landed and I told the medic that I thought the man was still alive "nah, that's just air moving out of his lungs through his larynx".

Don't ever stop for a RTA, is my advice.

Remember that its a criminal offence to leave the scene of an RTA if you are involved somehow. 

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6 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

Didn't realise you'd been in Iraq. What was your role there?

Mostly sunbathing on either the banks of the Tigris or on the palace roof itself and getting reprimanded for doing so along with everyone else. Top cover, patrols, fuelling and general cannon foddery. Stood down at times of heightened activity, leaving the men to do the fighting.

edit: anecdotally, I saw that Co-Operative Funeral parlours are now installing defibrillator on their outside walls - talk about a conflicting message.

Edited by longtomsilver

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I saw my father in the morgue. Depressing but also a sense of closure considering I didn't want to go in originally. 

 

The internet has desensitized me to death anyway. Once you've seen videos of people being crushed by a crane,  jumping off high buildings or having their brains powerdrilled by an Al Qaeda executioner nothing really shocks me anymore. 

Incidentally the worst video I've seen isnt that gory, it's footage of people being crushed to death in a stampede to escape being burned to death. The noise you don't forget,  I find what you can hear more scary than what you can see, generally. 

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11 minutes ago, longtomsilver said:

Don’t ever stop for a RTA, is my advice.

That’s also the advice given to me by a friend and retired consultant (medicine) who says this is echoed across the health service at senior levels and it’s really only younger professionals with nothing to lose who’ll step in to save lives, harshly he tells me most don’t survive or at best they are left with life changing injuries and that in itself opens up a can of worms, the problem is an order of magnitude higher if you have no training whatsoever as any intervention will have you up in court explaining why you performed chest compressions on the deceased breaking a rib and puncturing his lung. You’ll be sued by the family for sure. 

I’ve witnessed 3 fatalities, 1 paragliding, another double fatality here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/8191839.stm where they joined my thermal and collided, downplaning to terra firma with a splat and one locally employed civilian (translator) that died next to me on the operating table in Iraq (we escorted the vehicle into the base so he could be operated on).

yes, I’m unphased too.

edit. re. the link the survivor later died (10 days later) from heart failure.

Considering how few people fick around with comedy flying machines - paragliders, gyroscopes - a good percentage are killed.

Gliders seem safe.

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