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Just been out this evening after a couple of hours of moderate rainfall.

Motorway has flooded sections of hard shoulder, a number roundabouts have also flooded due to blocked drains.

Was out at the weekend and small pot-holes have turned into 6" deep chasms over the Christmas week.

There are sections of road where the surface tarmac is literally peeling away by the day.

Anyone running low-profile rubber needs their head feeling these days.

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6 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Just been out this evening after a couple of hours of moderate rainfall.

Motorway has flooded sections of hard shoulder, a number roundabouts have also flooded due to blocked drains.

Was out at the weekend and small pot-holes have turned into 6" deep chasms over the Christmas week.

There are sections of road where the surface tarmac is literally peeling away by the day.

Anyone running low-profile rubber needs their head feeling these days.

And the disappearing road markings. They just don't seem to bother repainting them any more.

And, unless it's my age, the new LED street lighting and the rubbed out lane markings don't go together very well.

Edited by Hopeful

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I live in Dumfries & Galloway where there are a lot of rural roads. After a lot of rain I avoid a lot of them because it’s difficult to see the deep potholes when they’re full of water. 

They go around with a machine filling them in but new ones keep appearing. Some roads are so bad I don’t use them at all until they’ve been resurfaced.

Just like everything in uk public buildings etc there is a lack of planning for maintenance of the roads.

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8 minutes ago, Hopeful said:

And the disappearing road markings. They just don't seem to bother repainting them any more.

And, unless it's my age, the new LED street lighting and the rubbed out lane markings don't go together very well.

Forgot about that, they went through a phase when Broon was in of using fancy coloured chippings as well as loads of lines, now they are virtually non-existent at many junctions.

You're right about LED streetlights, nothing shows up very well, they must be bloody awful in fancy cars in rain as well.

Don't like driving er-indoors fiesta at night in rain as the angle of the windscreen is too shallow and you constantly get strange refractions, don't give a fuck about aerodynamics I'd rather be able to see in all conditions.

Edited by Chewing Grass

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I came to the realisation about 10 years ago that they weren't going to fix the roads no matter how much I moaned, and that I'd better look after myself first.

So:

  1. Only high profile tyres (70 profile or greater).
  2. Use all-season or winter tyres as appropriate (which works with 1 -- just get cheap steelies rather than alloys).
  3. Assume the road is falling apart and use speed appropriately (ie, don't assume the road won't have a massive pothole around the corner)
  4. Don't bother with nice new cars as they'll only get broken by the roads anyway.
  5. Drive as few miles as possible.

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I also find it mildly annonying, whereby a road has been freshly retarmaced, after about ten years of trying.  Then within three months of it being laid, parts of it are dug up to put in a new water main, and then patched.  Not only does it look really ugly, but the sealant they use between the new and the new new tarmac makes it really slippery for bikes in particular.

If I was the council, I'd make them relay the whole section, but they dont.

...or maybe its just me..

Edited by Dave Beans

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All of the above plus not replacing cats eyes as well. Had (what I thought) was a very good idea for prioritising and scheduling road maintenance, worked on it with ex colleague of mine, would have saved a lot of money in repairs as sooner serious road surface damage is repaired the easer/cheaper it is. Could we get councils interested in it, could we fuck.

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11 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

I also find it mildly annonying, whereby a new has been freshly retarmaced, after about ten years of trying.  Then within three months of it being laid, parts of it are dug up to put in a new water main, and then patched.  Not only does it look really ugly, but the sealant they use between the new and the new new tarmac makes it really slippery for bikes in particular.

If I was the council, I'd make them relay the whole section, but they dont.

...or maybe its just me..

And they do a bad job, the road sinks and cracks emerge which form the new potholes.

Yet it continues to be the only way it's done.

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4 minutes ago, dgul said:

And they do a bad job, the road sinks and cracks emerge which form the new potholes.

Yet it continues to be the only way it's done.

Seems crazy. There's no coordination between the services.   On some throughfares, you have trenches that go up and down the road, and across..

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One of the main roads through my area is full of potholes and a main water pipe that is continually bursting making the potholes worse. Just before Christmas, the council fully tarmacced an adjoining side road. Just the one. 9_9  I wonder which councillor lives there?  

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Ha! In Toronto in the spring we have holes in the road big enough for a fucking moose to fall into and never be seen again! When I recall the sort of pot holes that people in Cambridge used to complain about when I lived there I think they don’t know how lucky they are. 

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The council executive and management's wages and pensions come first - plus make work for the local garages etc and no doubt many with friendly links to the council - etc.  They go on about road safety but they really don't give a stuff unless some "initiative" results in more money for them one way or another.  Some of the initiatives are just plain dangerous to all road users and all aggravated by the massively increasing congestion everywhere. 

They have the handy excuse of "austerity" but it's certainly not going to be austerity for them and their chums.

Edited by twocents

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13 minutes ago, twocents said:

The council executive and management's wages and pensions come first - plus make work for the local garages etc and no doubt many with friendly links to the council - etc.  They go on about road safety but they really don't give a stuff unless some "initiative" results in more money for them one way or another.  Some of the initiatives are just plain dangerous to all road users and all aggravated by the massively increasing congestion everywhere. 

They have the handy excuse of "austerity" but it's certainly not going to be austerity for them and their chums.

I wish they'd split the local authority budget into three, ringfenced and audited:

  • Money that is spent on a minority of people (Care for the disabled, homeless shelters, etc)
  • Money that is spent (or could be spent) on the majority of people (policing, schools, transport, libraries, etc)
  • Money that is spent on the council (new offices, pension, etc)

By splitting up the budget properly you wouldn't have so much of the smoke and mirrors where they use underspend in public-facing areas to highlight just how poor they are, even when they like to spunk other money on stupid schemes.

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I fill in the potholes in my lane with Type 1. Lasts for ages once it gets compressed down by a few passing cars. The council aren't interested in collecting the gypo flytipping so i don't waste my time reporting potholes!

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25 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

I fill in the potholes in my lane with Type 1. Lasts for ages once it gets compressed down by a few passing cars. The council aren't interested in collecting the gypo flytipping so i don't waste my time reporting potholes!

I might come across as a right pikey, but about a week before christmas, I tarmaced my first drive.  Fuck me, its hot.  A wacker plate makes all the difference, although I should have used a push roller to create a better finish.  Oh well..

Edited by Dave Beans

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16 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

I might come across as a right pikey, but about a week before christmas, I tarmaced my first drive.  Fuck me, its hot.  A wacker plate makes all the difference, although I should have used a push roller to create a better finish.  Oh well..

Horses running through council estates. Women with eyebrows on their cheeks. And, Beamish.

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9 hours ago, onlyme said:

All of the above plus not replacing cats eyes as well. Had (what I thought) was a very good idea for prioritising and scheduling road maintenance, worked on it with ex colleague of mine, would have saved a lot of money in repairs as sooner serious road surface damage is repaired the easer/cheaper it is. Could we get councils interested in it, could we fuck.

 

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I think the problem with routine repairs is that they are not "sexy". Every councillor and politician wants to be photographed at the opening of a new road but they're not so keen to be photographed when they are cleaning out road gullies... That means routine maintenance is starved of cash.

I think it's also the old story that road maintenance benefits a lot of people marginally instead of a small number of people hugely. You're unlikely to make a huge fuss about repairing potholes as opposed to campaigning to get a disabled kid specialist care. That means councils are more likely to prioritise specialist care for disabled kids instead of potholes.

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It's no wonder Scotland doesn't want to leave the EU. This image doesn't do the roads on Harris justice, where there are some of the best made UK roads and road surfaces I have ever driven upon, for a population of 2000. Now, if only that money was generally available.

european-logo-and-sign-for-european-regi

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12 hours ago, sarahbell said:

the rain is excessive. the roads are shite.

they use a spray machine to fill in holes and it's crap.

I saw one of those spray things in action 3 or 4 years ago in Bury outside where I used to work. It had a Rep of Ireland registration plate.

It took about 20 minutes to fill half a dozen potholes but then only another 3 weeks for all the tarmac gunk to have disappeared completely. What a complete waste of money.

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10 minutes ago, blobloblob said:

I saw one of those spray things in action 3 or 4 years ago in Bury outside where I used to work. It had a Rep of Ireland registration plate.

It took about 20 minutes to fill half a dozen potholes but then only another 3 weeks for all the tarmac gunk to have disappeared completely. What a complete waste of money.

It seems the only way to do which will last, is to scrape the top layer off and then put a whole new layer down.  This used to be done on a regular, rolling basis but not now for a long time.  Anecdotally, it seemed to coincide with the Olympics, at least here in London.  I thought at the time, it was merely money being repurposed for the massive building programme.  However, they have never gone back to resurfacing roads in the say way. Well they have in one of the residential streets near me, but only the one.  

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I cycle both on and off road. For some years now it has been considerably smoother and safer on most local trails than most local roads. 

I can understand why the councils just give up - in the last year I witnessed a road being fully surfaced and literally within a week a utility company was there digging the fucker up again. And when these companies fill in their holes it only seems to be even odds that they'll do it properly, and they certainly will NEVER resurface.

An aside - I wonder if the hole on the main road between Brentwood and Shenfield that has been causing traffic chaos all through the holidays has anyone working on it yet? There certainly wasnt anyone there yesterday either time I drove past it.

TLDR: Until we have some proper control and penalities on the feckers who dig up our roads, it will be ever thus.

Edited by Melchett

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2 hours ago, blobloblob said:

I saw one of those spray things in action 3 or 4 years ago in Bury outside where I used to work. It had a Rep of Ireland registration plate.

It took about 20 minutes to fill half a dozen potholes but then only another 3 weeks for all the tarmac gunk to have disappeared completely. What a complete waste of money.

Supposedly it's the cheap option because the council has to keep back so much for compensation claims (don't remember if it was just pothole claims, people falling off pavement claims or professional scamster claims). 

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3 minutes ago, The Generation Game said:

Supposedly it's the cheap option because the council has to keep back so much for compensation claims (don't remember if it was just pothole claims, people falling off pavement claims or professional scamster claims). 


I generally report them (when I can remember where they are, if there's loads on the way home then you forget!) 

There was a program on TV (MAtt Albright? I might have watched a lot of crap daytime tv before Christmas) which showed the different methods and which was best/cheapest/longest lasting. 


Can't find it yet ... but maybe this is the thing to do with all the plastic we can't dump on China anymore.
http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/tech-news/macrebur-plastic-create-roads-reduce-potholes-11364175923187
 

http://www.macrebur.com/about-us/

 

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