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M S E Refugee

Do Doctors just talk Shite

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There's a chap at work who is in his 60s and is on the cusp of becoming diabetic.

The Doctor told him to avoid fruit especially Grapes as they contain too much sugar which would be to the detriment of his health.

Fruit does have sugar in it but I think this is outweighed by the antioxidants,vitamins and minerals etc.

Is just a generational thing whereby people get to a certain age and believe that Doctors are infallible.

My late Mother would believe any old Shite the Doctor told her.

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I expect they just follow whatever the latest guidance is.

AFAICT GPs are just there to deal with minor ailments and hand out smarties to the elderly.  Anything else you get referred to someone who knows what they are talking about. If you’re lucky.

I’m sure some are actually very committed and really know their stuff.   My present GP certainly doesn’t seem to be one of them.

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5 minutes ago, M S E Refugee said:

There's a chap at work who is in his 60s and is on the cusp of becoming diabetic.

The Doctor told him to avoid fruit especially Grapes as they contain too much sugar which would be to the detriment of his health.

Fruit does have sugar in it but I think this is outweighed by the antioxidants,vitamins and minerals etc.

Is just a generational thing whereby people get to a certain age and believe that Doctors are infallible.

My late Mother would believe any old Shite the Doctor told her.

Grapes are terrible for diabetics actually - they cause massive blood sugar spikes. There's nothing in fruit you can't get from veg anyway and most varieties are full of sugar due to breeding.

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Just now, The Masked Tulip said:

Yep, people can get too much sugar from fruit. Especially if people are eating lots or making smoothies.

Probably depends how it was framed and the extent of his insulin resistance. 

If they are really bad they should probably be on a very low calorie and sugar diet.   If they just have slightly elevated blood sugar then probably just cutting back would be fine.   

If the take-away points from the meeting were “don’t eat fruit especially grapes” I think the doctor probably failed to get the main thrust of the message across.

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6 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Yep, people can get too much sugar from fruit. Especially if people are eating lots or making smoothies.

I remember him mentioning 6 months ago that he had bought on of those nutribullet things and was using it every day.

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5 minutes ago, Hopeful said:

Do they just talk shite?

No,

They read it first on Google

While you're sitting there

100%

Happened on last 3 trips I've made to the Docs.

Cheers, I could have, intact I did that myself you overpaid morons.

Whilst I'm having a rant, if we have all these wonderful immigrant doctors and nurses, why are GP surgeries only open weekdays? Open the fuckers 7 days a week, and I'll be happier to pay more NHS contributions and I'll be happier to have more immigrants. Otherwise fuck off. 

(To clarify, that's a rant at ALL doctors regardless of ethnicity. With the supposed resources we have, it should be a 24/7 service.)

Edited by Sucralose Ray Leonard
Clarity

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3 minutes ago, Libspero said:

Probably depends how it was framed and the extent of his insulin resistance. 

If they are really bad they should probably be on a very low calorie and sugar diet.   If they just have slightly elevated blood sugar then probably just cutting back would be fine.   

If the take-away points from the meeting were “don’t eat fruit especially grapes” I think the doctor probably failed to get the main thrust of the message across.

It could be the case that my friend has not understood what message the Doctor was trying to convey.

Many people seem to have selective memories.

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Yes they do. Seems to me the key skill is listening to your patient, some are unable to do so.

I have been seeing an ENT specialist about swelling and deafness in one ear, the Froggy bastard has no fucking clue despite having a superb CV (I checked) - problem is he obviously either thinks that all patients are stupid, all Englishmen are stupid or just me in particular. Either way he won't listen to anything I say, the arrogant wanker, it's written all over his face.

First he gave me a massive overdose of steroids(I checked after what it should have been)  and didn't instruct me to taper off at the end, so I suffered like a dog for days when I abruptly stopped them. Then he sent me for some pointless physiotherapy on my jaw that achieved nothing.

I've given up on the twat, I'm going to get a direct appointment with an allergy specialist. I told him I thought it was linked to either food intolerances/allergies/sinusitis or problems with a couple of teeth due to various accompanying symptoms that I won't bore you with. Anyway I'm fasting today for the first time for ages and lo and behold, I can hear from both ears again. :PissedOff:

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Hopeful said:

Do they just talk shite?

No,

They read it first on Google

While you're sitting there

If that were true all patients would leave the doctors with a firm diagnosis of AIDS, cancer or ebola. 

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Wife's cousin took her 3 week old baby to the gp last week for spots around his mouth. Gp says it's baby acne, quite common and prescibes a cream. Also refers her to a paediatrician who she saw yesterday. Now told the cream is dangerous for babies and must not use. So not only did the gp prescribe a dangerous cream, she didn't trust her diagnosis for a common ailment. Worse than useless.

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It takes 5 years to become a GP. 

That sounds like a long time but when you consider the complexity of the human body, all it's various ailments and nuances it really translates to GP's being a jack of most trades, master of none. 

They may be well versed in spotting common issues with a clear set of symptoms, but for many things they won't have a clue, nutrition is one of those areas where most doctors will just parrot government guide lines.

I'm not dismissing doctors at all, but for a vast number of things they know only very limited information. 

You occasionally hear of laymen blagging their way in to a GP job and working for years before being found out, equally people who know exactly what's wrong with them but are subject to years of tests and all sorts before the GP eventually stumbles on the same answer. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, gilf said:

It takes 5 years to become a GP. 

 

 

It only takes five minutes to go through the differential diagnosis handbook and discover who you need referring to.

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6 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

When you tell grape jokes, you’re perpetuating grape culture. Grapist!

Black grapes or white grapes ?

 

Edited by Hopeful

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The problem with most bought fruit is that, whilst it obviously grows, it is far removed from the wild fruit which we would have eaten prior to cultivation.  It is usually ram packed with sugar.  There have been several cases of monkey sanctuaries and zoos banning monkeys from eating shop bought bananas because it sends them loopy; this was the first example I found at Paignton zoo:
 

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A zoo has banned its monkeys from eating bananas – after nutritionists said it was the equivalent of humans eating cake and chocolate.

Amy Plowman, head of conservation at Paignton Zoo in Devon, said: ‘People usually try to improve their diet by eating more fruit, but fruit cultivated for humans is much higher in sugar and much lower in protein and fibre than most wild fruit.

‘Giving this fruit to animals is equivalent to giving them cake and chocolate.

'It can also cause gastrointestinal problems as their stomachs are mostly adapted to eating fibrous foods with very low digestibility.’

Instead the monkeys are being given vegetables. ‘Lots of them, especially leafy green veg,’ said Dr Plowman.

Dr Plowman said it had not been too hard to wean the monkeys off bananas for a less sugary diet.


 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539556/Monkeys-eat-bananas-No-unhealthy-Paignton-Zoo-bans-animals-eating-fruit.html

 

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The problem is that if you tell Joe Bloggs that fruit is bad they'll eat more shite like Mars bars instead.

I have a kiwi with my breakfast; skin and all. Full of vitamins. Isn't going to increase my risk of diabetes. I don't think juicing is a good idea, and fruit-only smoothies probably aren't great either.

In my experience, most GP's are fucking hopeless. Like offensively bad. I think their main role is to try and keep people away from using other NHS services. I got some blood work done in December regarding some concerns I had - took over 3 weeks to get the appointment and then I just never heard back from them. And at the actual appointment I had to tell the GP about how a certain drug affected a certain blood marker, and hence I wanted a baseline taken of that blood marker - and they didn't know anything about that or the drug (very well known in America, less so here), so sat and looked up their book while I sat there.

Phoned yesterday to ask about the results and was told that I have to phone with a 1 hour window to get them from the nurse. Hopefully won't be an argument about me actually getting a printout of the results.

I really should look into going private.

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5 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

The problem is that if you tell Joe Bloggs that fruit is bad they'll eat more shite like Mars bars instead.

I have a kiwi with my breakfast; skin and all. Full of vitamins. Isn't going to increase my risk of diabetes. I don't think juicing is a good idea, and fruit-only smoothies probably aren't great either.

 

Oh yes, it's a nuanced message which is too much for most people. 

Eat some fruit, two or three a day, washed very well if you're eating the skin, and don't juice it.

And be clear that some fruit is better for you than others; so Pink Lady apples are popular becaus ethey are high sugar:

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“The Jazz and the Pink Lady are not great apples. They have been engineered on sweetness, shapes, colours and resistance to disease. But mostly sugar, sugar, sugar. It’s wrong. That’s not the definition of a good food. We are addicted to sugar and the retailers know it.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/healthyeating/11171530/Why-we-are-eating-the-wrong-kind-of-apples.html

 

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10 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Eat some fruit, two or three a day, washed very well if you're eating the skin, and don't juice it.

Good point - I rinse the kiwi under water for a few seconds but I'll have to look into whether or not there's a better way to scrub the skin.

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