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Dave Bloke

Rightwingers responsible for fakenews, claim lefties

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Just now, BigV said:

All this right wing, left wing bollox is getting on my tits. Most people on this site are fairly liberal, in the traditional sense of the word. But to define yourself as either being on the left or on the right is just to be pigeonholed on a whole range of issues. It's Tribal nonsense, and one shouldn't play that game

Agree on one level with this. But, I’m a socialist so am classed as being on the left. Indeed, if anyone had asked me where I stood politically, I would say on the left. 

However, I do no recognise, nor identify, with what is classed as the left today. They have taken a grass roots movement and changed it into something else. 

Classic hegemony at work. 

#nottheleft 

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4 minutes ago, Chewing Grass said:

Unfortunately I live in the world of logic and common-sense therefore there is currently no political party worthy of my vote as they are all corruptly devoid of logic or common-sense.

I suspect many others are in the same position and end up casting their vote for the least worsest candidate available in their locale.

I vote for the candidate with the widest cravat, thus excluding women.

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I'm looking forward to the total extermination of humans apart from me and my girlfriend.....Bliss.  

 

And we'er left wing

6 minutes ago, MrPin said:

I vote for the candidate with the widest cravat, thus excluding women.

Mr Pin....shame on you

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43 minutes ago, One percent said:

Agree on one level with this. But, I’m a socialist so am classed as being on the left. Indeed, if anyone had asked me where I stood politically, I would say on the left. 

However, I do no recognise, nor identify, with what is classed as the left today. They have taken a grass roots movement and changed it into something else. 

Classic hegemony at work. 

#nottheleft 

Well I agree, but most issues aren't of a simple yes-no / left-right nature, where your beliefs sit somewhere on a 2D line. 

And then to somehow aggregate all this into being a left or right leaning person in general? 

 

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I don't believe there's such a thing as fake news, as suggested by the media.  What is thrown about as 'fake news' is so clearly bonkers that no-one will actually believe it and only read it for entertainment value (ie, the pizza, etc).  

Now, there is actually misleading news, and omitted news, but that isn't the fake news as it's actually the stuff promoted by the conventional news media (and has been for years, from well before the internet).

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2 hours ago, davidg said:

Right wingers responsible for #fakenews claims leftie paper citing flawed research from leftie university.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/06/sharing-fake-news-us-rightwing-study-trump-university-of-oxford

Junk news criticising so called junk news.

Does it mean that the right was reading and sharing more junk accusations about Trump than the left - just out of curiousity.  Accusations that have since been proven to be junk

Edited by twocents

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10 hours ago, BigV said:

All this right wing, left wing bollox is getting on my tits. Most people on this site are fairly liberal, in the traditional sense of the word. But to define yourself as either being on the left or on the right is just to be pigeonholed on a whole range of issues. It's Tribal nonsense, and one shouldn't play that game

👍 

 

10 hours ago, One percent said:

Agree on one level with this. But, I’m a socialist so am classed as being on the left. Indeed, if anyone had asked me where I stood politically, I would say on the left. 

However, I do no recognise, nor identify, with what is classed as the left today. They have taken a grass roots movement and changed it into something else. 

Classic hegemony at work. 

#nottheleft 

A few years ago I used to say I would vote Labour if a real old fashioned working-people based socialist took over. Well, I'm further from voting labour than ever. Which just goes to show that Steptoes socialism is just a front, a front for several something's that I find way too beyond the pale to vote for. And he sure as feck doesn't have working people's best interests at heart. 👍

Edited by Melchett

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3 minutes ago, Melchett said:

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A few years ago I used to say I would vote Labour if a real old fashioned working-people based socialist took over. Well, I'm further from voting labour than ever. Which just goes to show that Steptoes socialism is just a front, a front for several something's that I find way too beyond the pale to vote for. And he sure as feck doesn't have working people's best interests at heart. 👍

Yep.  There is no socialist party that will look after the interests of ordinary working class people. 

Special snowflake, immigrant, foreigner, banker, big business?  You will have your interests served.  White working class?  Forget it. 

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12 hours ago, MrPin said:

I vote for the candidate with the widest cravat, thus excluding women.

And yet, here is the official photo of the Pin Party candidate:

ecf186e3685f3f52c3ae8d938a6d95c0--women-

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12 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

And I would have said that I'm a classic Conservative but I don't recognise them today and have only voted for them once in twenty years; the last election as a vote for Brexit.  It doesn't surprise me that their party membership has collapsed from three million to 150,000.  It used to be (IMO) the party of the working person and now doesn't appear to represent them any more so the membership has voted with its feet and abandoned them.

I would class politics now as being Globalist vs Nationalist with all the old traditional Labour Conservative voters falling into the nationalist side and the thee big political parties all on the Globalist side and only UKIP on the Nationalist.   Left and Right are absolutely redundant terms these days.

Pretty much.

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14 hours ago, dgul said:

I don't believe there's such a thing as fake news, as suggested by the media.  What is thrown about as 'fake news' is so clearly bonkers that no-one will actually believe it and only read it for entertainment value (ie, the pizza, etc).  

Now, there is actually misleading news, and omitted news, but that isn't the fake news as it's actually the stuff promoted by the conventional news media (and has been for years, from well before the internet).

"But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty's figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at one-hundred-and-forty-five million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than one-hundred-and-forty-five millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain."

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19 hours ago, BigV said:

All this right wing, left wing bollox is getting on my tits. Most people on this site are fairly liberal, in the traditional sense of the word. But to define yourself as either being on the left or on the right is just to be pigeonholed on a whole range of issues. It's Tribal nonsense, and one shouldn't play that game

Yeah, the left right thing is bollocks and used to divide us. Most Westeners (and Dosbodians) are fairly liberal, that could be used against us though. If everyone else is acting as a group, or in a tribal way, and we act as individuals, we will lose. Fact.

We need to work together to save ourselves, and each others countries. 

If there is any real divide now it is between those who would allow Globalism to consume them and their country, and those who stand up for their people, their nation states, and other nation states.

Nationalism doesn't lead to the gas chambers, no matter how much they want you to think it does.

Right now, nationalism is the answer to the problems we face. 

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18 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

Yeah, the left right thing is bollocks and used to divide us. Most Westeners (and Dosbodians) are fairly liberal, that could be used against us though. If everyone else is acting as a group, or in a tribal way, and we act as individuals, we will lose. Fact.

We need to work together to save ourselves, and each others countries. 

If there is any real divide now it is between those who would allow Globalism to consume them and their country, and those who stand up for their people, their nation states, and other nation states.

Nationalism doesn't lead to the gas chambers, no matter how much they want you to think it does.

Right now, nationalism is the answer to the problems we face. 

Spot on Carl. It is all merely distraction from the real issues. 

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