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SpectrumFX

Epic Grauniad Unpaid Internship Hypocrisy

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What a bunch of tossers.

https://order-order.com/2018/02/09/epic-guardian-unpaid-internship-hypocrisy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Today’s Guardian splash backs the government’s crackdown on unpaid internships, exclusively revealing that “HM Revenue & Customs is expected to target sectors such as media” and criticising Vogue and its publisher Conde Nast for offering placements without pay. It is a pretty bold front page given that just last week the paper was embarrassed by a young journalist on Twitter who revealed he had just been on an unpaid internship at… the Guardian

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1 hour ago, JoeDavola said:

That's because they don't want actual working class people working for them.

That's clearly ridiculous.

The Guardian is the traditional home of the left wing print journalist.

Like the Labour Party, supporting the lower classes is their reason for being. Of course, you can only fully propose a left wing socialist utopia if you are not sullied by the practical realism of working to earn a living.

 Not paying their interns is totally subscribing to their ideals. They need working class people that don't actual need a salary. 

Ideally from The Guardian perspective all their staff and contributors should work for free. This would reduce their financial problems, leaving them to concentrate on funding their other operational overheads. Hopefully these could be covered from their socialist magic money tree.

To argue that working class people couldn't work unpaid is like saying they will by default be from more affluent backgrounds.

That's just like saying only the truly aristocratic should support Labour, the Liberals and the Greens, and that the working classes should support the Conservatives.

Any of my fellow Guardian subscribers will point out that is the wrong way around. The Conservative Party only represents the aristocracy.

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It’s not so much a social class issue but a London centric one.

both my offspring have done unpaid internships. Both have landed good jobs because of it 

they had their travel paid and could live at home for free. 

If you don’t live in London, then this will be beyond you. 

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7 minutes ago, One percent said:

It’s not so much a social class issue but a London centric one.

both my offspring have done unpaid internships. Both have landed good jobs because of it 

they had their travel paid and could live at home for free. 

If you don’t live in London, then this will be beyond you. 

It's a fuck you to social mobility and a return to a patronage based way of doing things that suits the more mediocre elements of the middle and upper classes just fine.

 

 

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1 minute ago, SpectrumFX said:

It's a fuck you to social mobility and a return to a patronage based way of doing things that suits the more mediocre elements of the middle and upper classes just fine.

 

 

Not so much patronage. Both kids applied for them as they would a proper job.  Only difference was, they didn’t get paid. They got their travel and I think one got her lunches paid for. 

We could afford to support them (we’re doing anyhow and would be no different if they were sat on the dole). 

Because we live in London, it was possible. Outside of, you would need serious money. 

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Just now, One percent said:

Not so much patronage. Both kids applied for them as they would a proper job.  Only difference was, they didn’t get paid. They got their travel and I think one got her lunches paid for. 

We could afford to support them (we’re doing anyhow and would be no different if they were sat on the dole). 

Because we live in London, it was possible. Outside of, you would need serious money. 

It's like the point Chomsky makes in that old interview with Andrew Marr.

It makes sure a certain sort of person gets the gig.

 

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Just now, SpectrumFX said:

It's like the point Chomsky makes in that old interview with Andrew Marr.

It makes sure a certain sort of person gets the gig.

 

Yep, one who lives in London. 

Im not middle class. As spy often points out, blue collary working class. 

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6 minutes ago, One percent said:

Yep, one who lives in London. 

Im not middle class. As spy often points out, blue collary working class. 

That's your mistake right there.

You need to be yellow welly class to get ahead nowadays.

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5 minutes ago, One percent said:

Yep, one who lives in London. 

Im not middle class. As spy often points out, blue collary working class. 

Yes, and social mobility (which we used to have) got you into a position that is no longer possible from the same starting point. Your kids benefit for that.

My grandad worked down the pits. Both his daughters would consider themselves working class, and indeed that's where they came from. My aunty moved to London got a good gig in HE bought into housing at exactly the right time and sent her daughter to private school and then Oxford. The daughters not working class.

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6 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

Yes, and social mobility (which we used to have) got you into a position that is no longer possible from the same starting point. Your kids benefit for that.

My grandad worked down the pits. Both his daughters would consider themselves working class, and indeed that's where they came from. My aunty moved to London got a good gig in HE bought into housing at exactly the right time and sent her daughter to private school and then Oxford. The daughters not working class.

Not so much social mobility. I studies for all of my degrees part time and paid for them. Left school at 16. 

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6 minutes ago, One percent said:

Not so much social mobility. I studies for all of my degrees part time and paid for them. Left school at 16. 

My aunty was the same.

I think we have different ideas of what social mobility is. For me it's the ability of working class people to get access to opportunities to get into middle class jobs (often with a lot of graft), which allow them to build wealth and bring up their kids in a middle class environment, with middle class opportunities as standard. It's the kids that become middle class. The parent is more of a bridging step.

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2 hours ago, SpectrumFX said:

For me it's the ability of working class people to get access to opportunities to get into middle class jobs , which allow them to build wealth and bring up their kids in a middle class environment, with middle class opportunities as standard. It's the kids that become middle class. The parent is more of a bridging step.

Many small businesses are exactly this.

In accountancy the cliché is the first generation builds the business from nothing, scrimping and scraping, looking after every penny, reinvesting profit back into the company. The second generation leverages the business, buying houses, cars, jet skis that befit their status. The third generation runs out of money and finds something else to do.

Often the first generation are working class, want the best for their kids, private school, usual routine, but are typically careful with money. The second generation have had everything given to them on a plate and have forgotten their roots. Their kids end up back to square one but with a great deal of the street smarts of their grandparents absent.

In many ways that's a good example of a real difference between the classes that's as true today as 150 years ago. The lower classes can succeed in trade and do very well, but unless very careful it won't be sustained through the generations. Whereas the upper classes stick to their professions, law, medicine, education and so on to maintain their grip on power and wealth.

Sweeping generalisation of course. 

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