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A lovely, relaxing beach holiday. Anyone fancy it? Don’t forget to pack your AK47

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43030864

Tour operator Thomas Cook is taking British tourists back to Tunisia this week for the first time since an ISIS gunman massacred 38 people - 30 of them British - on a beach in Sousse in 2015.

Until last summer, the Foreign Office advised against travel there due to the high risk of terrorism. 

So what has changed and is it safe for western tourists to go back?

 

clearly it is as further down the article we have:

The police response, or lack of it, was one of the most shocking things about the Sousse attacks in 2015.

Since then, the French have been giving firearms training to Tunisia's police, while some officers are now being prosecuted for a dereliction of duty on that day.

Britain's MI6 secret intelligence service has been helping Tunisia to improve its intelligence-gathering capabilities. Yet several problems remain.

 

all ok then.  Anyone fancy it?

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7 minutes ago, One percent said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43030864

Tour operator Thomas Cook is taking British tourists back to Tunisia this week for the first time since an ISIS gunman massacred 38 people - 30 of them British - on a beach in Sousse in 2015.

Until last summer, the Foreign Office advised against travel there due to the high risk of terrorism. 

So what has changed and is it safe for western tourists to go back?

 

clearly it is as further down the article we have:

The police response, or lack of it, was one of the most shocking things about the Sousse attacks in 2015.

Since then, the French have been giving firearms training to Tunisia's police, while some officers are now being prosecuted for a dereliction of duty on that day.

Britain's MI6 secret intelligence service has been helping Tunisia to improve its intelligence-gathering capabilities. Yet several problems remain.

 

all ok then.  Anyone fancy it?

If you can get insurance that includes death by terrorist act, and you know you have a terminal disease and want to get a windfall for your family, worth a punt.

 

Otherwise, go to Devon.

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I learnt long ago not to trust the UK govt when it comes to travel warnings and instead to look at the US State Department warnings - I think the US ones are more honest than anything that our country says, probably because there is more of an outcry of anger from the US public is citizens are put in harm's way.

So, over to the US warning on Tunisia as of January 10th.

 

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Travel Advisory January 10, 2018
 
Tunisia – Level 2: Exercise increased caution

 

Exercise increased caution in Tunisia due to terrorism. Some areas have increased risk. Read the entire Travel Advisory.      

Do not travel to:

  • Within 30 km of southeastern Tunisia along the border with Libya due to terrorism.
  • Mountainous areas in the country’s west, including the Chaambi Mountain National Park area, due to terrorism.
  • The desert south of Remada due to the military zone.
  • Jendouba south of Ain Drahem and west of RN15, El Kef, and Kasserine, next to the Algerian border due to terrorism.
  • Sidi Bou Zid in central Tunisia due to terrorism.

Terrorist groups continue plotting possible attacks in Tunisia. Terrorists may attack with little or no warning, targeting tourist locations, transportation hubs, museums, resorts, markets/shopping malls, government facilities and security forces. A country-wide state of emergency, which grants security forces more authority to maintain civil order and enables the government to focus on combating terrorism, is in effect. 

The U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency services to U.S. citizens in some areas of Tunisia. U.S. government employees must obtain special authorization to travel outside greater Tunis.   

Read the Safety and Security section on the country information page

If you decide to travel to Tunisia:

  • Exercise caution when using public transportation, due to safety and security concerns.
  • Avoid demonstrations and crowds.
  • Monitor local media for breaking events and be prepared to adjust your plans.
  • Be alert to the possibility of kidnapping.
  • Avoid staying overnight outside of the main cities and tourist locations.
  • Obtain comprehensive medical insurance that includes medical evacuation.
  • Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.
  • Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter.
  • Review the Crime and Safety Report for Tunisia.
  • U.S. citizens who travel abroad should always have a contingency plan for emergency situations.  Review the Traveler’s Checklist.

Border with Libya

Developments in Libya continue to affect the security situation along the Tunisian-Libyan border in areas such as Ras Jedir and Dehiba along with the cities of Ben Guerdan and Medenine. The border with Libya is frequently closed to all traffic with short notice for extended periods. The Department of State warns U.S. citizens to not travel to Libya. 

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

Western Mountains and Chaambi Mountain National Park

Terrorist groups continue to operate in mountains of Western Tunisia. 

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

The Desert South of Remada

The desert south of Remada is designated as a military zone by the Government of Tunisia. Special authorization is required for travelers wishing to enter the military zone.

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

Jendouba El Kef and Kasserine near the Algerian Border

Terrorist groups continue to operate in these areas. 

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

Sidi Bou Zid in Central Tunisia

Terrorist groups continue to operate in this area. 

Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.

Travel Advisory Levels

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Assistance for U.S. Citizens

U.S. Embassy Tunis
North East Zone
Les Berges du Lac
1053 Tunis, Tunisia
Telephone
+(216) 71-107-000
Emergency
71-107-000, press 0 and ask for the duty officer
Fax
+(216) 71964-360
Tunisia Map
 
Search for Travel Advisories
 
 

 

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Actually, the Foreign Office one is pretty similar to the US one. However, it does mention that there is an ongoing state of emergency in Tunisia and that there is, um, a threat to aviation.

There is also a rather useful looking map. Might come handy in a hostage sitution so worth downloading to your phone before going.

The state of emergency has been ongoing since 2015 and there were nationwide protest thi past January. Terrorists are very likely to carry out attacks in Tunisia.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tunisia

 

Sounds to me as if the country is collapsing and some UK plebs are worthy sacrifices if it helps to keep the Tunisian tourist economy afloat? Or am I too cynical.

 

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To be fair the UK govt travel advice still says terrorist attacks are very likely but they can hardly put a ban on the place given our own country is also very likely to be subject to attack otherwise surely they should recommend we all bugger off to somewhere safer, wherever that is - Antartic is probably ok:ph34r:

cross post with @The Masked Tulip

Edited by Dipsy

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3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Actually, the Foreign Office one is pretty similar to the US one. However, it does mention that there is an ongoing state of emergency in Tunisia and that there is, um, a threat to aviation.

There is also a rather useful looking map. Might come handy in a hostage sitution so worth downloading to your phone before going.

The state of emergency has been ongoing since 2015 and there were nationwide protest thi past January. Terrorists are very likely to carry out attacks in Tunisia.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tunisia

 

Sounds to me as if the country is collapsing and some UK plebs are worthy sacrifices if it helps to keep the Tunisian tourist economy afloat? Or am I too cynical.

 

Spot on I would say. Gotta keep parting the plebs from their money, whatever the cost 

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2 minutes ago, Dipsy said:

To be fair the UK govt travel advice still says terrorist attacks are very likely but they can hardly put a ban on the place given our own country is also very likely to be subject to attack otherwise surely they should recommend we all bugger off to somewhere safer, wherever that is - Antartic is probably ok:ph34r:

cross post with @The Masked Tulip

 

There is a huge diifference here though - presumably help would be on the way at some point and you would not be surrounded by a perhaps indifferent or perhaps even hostile population. Well, unless you were in certain parts of the UK that are no longer British.

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

Spot on I would say. Gotta keep parting the plebs from their money, whatever the cost 

It is probably also to help the UK travel companies and airlines. I wonder if some behind the scenes agreement with the UK govt for liability has been quietly arranged?

Be interesting to see how the travel insurance companies deal with this? Yep, some small-print clearing them of any responsibility if it is terrorism - so don't get knocked over by a bicycle whilst crossing the road and have a bone broken in Tunisia.

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2 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

There is a huge diifference here though - presumably help would be on the way at some point and you would not be surrounded by a perhaps indifferent or perhaps even hostile population. Well, unless you were in certain parts of the UK that are no longer British.

Maybe, didn't stopped the bastards killing several people on London Bridge before they got stopped, and that's in an area with Police usually pretty close by, god only knows how many they could have killed if they'd had guns.

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9 minutes ago, Dipsy said:

Maybe, didn't stopped the bastards killing several people on London Bridge before they got stopped, and that's in an area with Police usually pretty close by, god only knows how many they could have killed if they'd had guns.

 

Imagine finding yourself on a beach in Africa trying to get into a building to hide and the locals are indifferent to your plight or even outright call out to the guy with the AK47 telling him or her where you are.

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3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

Imagine finding yourself on a beach in Africa trying to get into a building to hide and the locals are indifferent to your plight or even outright call out to the guy with the AK47 telling him or her where you are.

Is that what happened in Tunisia?  o.O

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

Is that what happened in Tunisia?  o.O

 

Um, no. Not that I heard. But what is fact that the local Tunisian report into the attack recorded that an unnamed interior minister had told the judge that some of the police units nearby who could have saved people had deliberately slowed their response.

People need to think long and hard about that IMPO.

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9 minutes ago, One percent said:

Is that what happened in Tunisia?  o.O

The police response was slow but I believe that some guys on the beach attempted to distract the gunman so I don't think it's fair to say no one tried to help at all.

The fact remains people love a bargain so no matter what the dangers they'll still go for a cheap week in the sun. I prefer Cornwall, I know you have to watch out for the    Cornish Liberation Army but they tend to attack Rick Steins places and I wouldn't go near one of them anyway.

Edited by Dipsy

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People need to think long and hard about that when thinking of travelling to any muslim country for a holiday IMPO.

In Tunisia there was a beach guard who attempted to stop him and when he was knocked unconcious by a grenade a local boat operator tried to intervene but could not fire the beach guard's AK-47.

The Tunisian report also said that the terrorist had support from unknown people who had supplied the terrorist's AK-47 and had helped him to get to the scene.

2 minutes ago, Dipsy said:

The police response was slow but I believe that some guys on the beach attempted to distract the gunman so I don't think it's fair to say no one tried to help at all.

 

I did not say that no one tried to help. I said that some of the police deliberately held back from intervening - people need to ask themselves why they did so.

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1 minute ago, The Masked Tulip said:

People need to think long and hard about that when thinking of travelling to any muslim country for a holiday IMPO.

In Tunisia there was a beach guard who attempted to stop him and when he was knocked unconcious by a grenade a local boat operator tried to intervene but could not fire the beach guard's AK-47.

The Tunisian report also said that the terrorist had support from unknown people who had supplied the terrorist's AK-47 and had helped him to get to the scene.

I don’t need to think very hard about it at all.  Not going. Even if I were paid 

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3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

People need to think long and hard about that when thinking of travelling to any muslim country for a holiday IMPO.

In Tunisia there was a beach guard who attempted to stop him and when he was knocked unconcious by a grenade a local boat operator tried to intervene but could not fire the beach guard's AK-47.

The Tunisian report also said that the terrorist had support from unknown people who had supplied the terrorist's AK-47 and had helped him to get to the scene.

 

I did not say that no one tried to help. I said that some of the police deliberately held back from intervening - people need to ask themselves why they did so.

Sorry I thought you had implied that in an earlier post - yep Police clearly didn't give a shit. 

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1 minute ago, ashestoashes said:

it's a hell of a gamble, you win you get a holiday with some stress about possible terrorist activity, you lose you get killed.

 

I could never relax on such a holiday. Not from the moment the flight took off from the UK till the point that I was back in the UK on the ground. How do you relax on the beach, have a visit of local places, eat food in a restuarant without constantly thinking about is this going to be it?

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