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Frank Hovis

Steptoe spied for Czech secret police & Soviet Union

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He's going to try to bluff it out but surely this is a crime that results in a long prison sentence.

Please let there be an inquiry and they discover that Diane Abbot was helping him.

 

  • Ex Czech secret agent Jan Sarkocy said Jeremy Steptoe was a  paid informant 
  • Said he was rated by Russia who made plans to move him out there if discovered

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5401097/Jeremy-Steptoe-paid-Czech-secret-police-spy-claims.html

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I feel sorry for the spy.

The USSR and your country is falling apart.

And you have to sit there with a total fucking dork, listening t him whittle on about all the iRA people who knows and the Boliviarn struggle and how someone cheated in the leomon curd competition and how his trousers got cuaght in his spokes and how his wifes wants to put his kid in a local comp and how he should have married Diana etc etc etc.

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11 minutes ago, spygirl said:

I feel sorry for the spy.

The USSR and your country is falling apart.

And you have to sit there with a total fucking dork, listening t him whittle on

I doubt spying is glamorous and exiting like the James Bond image, I prefer the style of John Le Carre, people leading mundane lives passing on snippets that have little relevance and are only meaningful as part of a much bigger picture. For example the unit an individual soldier captured during a war is from. In itself fairly unimportant until a strategist pieces together the units other captured men are from and then works out the enemies overall strategy from the way they have assembled their forces.

Steptoe probably had the arrogance of youth that convinced him that his political views were right and that he would make life better for our country.

We should know by now that economies are too complex to work under central command apart from very short periods when there is a clearly defined objective, war time.  Some politicians know better of course!

What I find objectionable is the way most politicians lack conviction, the policies they support seem to be governed by expediency and self interest. Even if they start out with the highest ideals the world of politics soon renders them impotent and they succumb to short term pressures.  

 

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1 hour ago, Frank Hovis said:

He's going to try to bluff it out but surely this is a crime that results in a long prison sentence.

Please let there be an inquiry and they discover that Diane Abbot was helping him.

If she was helping him, the Russians would have assumed she was a double agent and popped her off with a poisoned umbrella tip. They wouldn't believe anyone could be so inept, although it does make you wonder if she might have been the inspiration for some of the comedy spy movies we've seen over the years.

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6 minutes ago, Fully Detached said:

If she was helping him, the Russians would have assumed she was a double agent and popped her off with a poisoned umbrella tip. They wouldn't believe anyone could be so inept, although it does make you wonder if she might have been the inspiration for some of the comedy spy movies we've seen over the years.

They probably did.

Ivan, we asked you to poison umbrella Ms Abbot, the traitor.

I did. I gave her a dose big enough to kill an elephant.

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During the Cold War does anyone doubt that the leaders of most left leaning organisations were on the payroll 

Ken , Gerry , CND , the gobby scouser ( can remember his name ), all union leaders , militant faction , greenham common harpies 

Useful fools one and all 

Edited by Malthus
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14 minutes ago, Malthus said:

During the Cold War does anyone doubt that the leaders of most left leaning organisations were on the payroll 

Ken , Gerry , CND , the gobby scouser ( can remember his name ), all union leaders , militant faction , greenham common harpies 

Useful fools one and all 

I don't doubt it but it's treason punishable by very long jail sentences and they should all be actively pursued; none of this they're old / sick / it was a long time ago.

Hunt them down, lock them up, and throw away the key. I wonder if HM Prison Services has access to any oubliettes.

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People betray their country for the following reasons 

1) Money

2) Ideology 

3) Compromise / Coercion

4) Ego 

I would imagine he did it for point 2, what ever the reason if true he should be prosecuted and sent to prison, after being publicly humiliated 

Edited by ad_ceng

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1 hour ago, sleepwello'nights said:

I doubt spying is glamorous and exiting like the James Bond image, I prefer the style of John Le Carre, people leading mundane lives passing on snippets that have little relevance and are only meaningful as part of a much bigger picture. For example the unit an individual soldier captured during a war is from. In itself fairly unimportant until a strategist pieces together the units other captured men are from and then works out the enemies overall strategy from the way they have assembled their forces.

Steptoe probably had the arrogance of youth that convinced him that his political views were right and that he would make life better for our country.

We should know by now that economies are too complex to work under central command apart from very short periods when there is a clearly defined objective, war time.  Some politicians know better of course!

What I find objectionable is the way most politicians lack conviction, the policies they support seem to be governed by expediency and self interest. Even if they start out with the highest ideals the world of politics soon renders them impotent and they succumb to short term pressures.  

 

I've met spies.  They're the most boring people imaginable.  

So I'm not surprised by these allegations against Steptoe.

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5 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

At a point in Human History when there was an iron curtain separating two halves of Europe with millions of heavily armed soldiers, sailors and airmen on either side ready to fight one another within literally minutes when hardly anyone went from the West to the East, when lots of people on the Eastern side died trying to escape to the Western half two things of note, in my mind, happened:

1. Angela Merkel's father took his entire family from West Germany to live in East Germany whilst countless millions of East Germans, Poles, Czechs, etc, were desperate to try and get to the West and what they saw as freedom.

2. Steptoe and the Abbopotamus went on a motor-bike holiday in East Germany.

 

Its the motorbike i feel sorry for.

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1 hour ago, Fully Detached said:

If she was helping him, the Russians would have assumed she was a double agent and popped her off with a poisoned umbrella tip. They wouldn't believe anyone could be so inept, although it does make you wonder if she might have been the inspiration for some of the comedy spy movies we've seen over the years.

 

Perhaps they went on holiday to Vinnytsia in the Ukraine.

 

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3 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

He's going to try to bluff it out but surely this is a crime that results in a long prison sentence.

Please let there be an inquiry and they discover that Diane Abbot was helping him.

 

  • Ex Czech secret agent Jan Sarkocy said Jeremy Steptoe was a  paid informant 
  • Said he was rated by Russia who made plans to move him out there if discovered

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5401097/Jeremy-Steptoe-paid-Czech-secret-police-spy-claims.html

Whats the penalty for doughnut smuggling these days 

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1 hour ago, Goat said:

Sadly treason is time limited to 3 years for offences committed in the UK so he's (probably) safe on that front.

Section 1(1)(c) of The Offical Secrets Act 1911 however is not time limited:

If any person for any purpose prejudicial to the safety or interests of the State............... obtains, [collects, records, or publishes,] or communicates to any other person [any secret official code word, or pass word, or] any sketch, plan, model, article, or note, or other document or information which is calculated to be or might be or is intended to be directly or indirectly useful to an enemy.............. he shall be guilty of felony.

 

I should imagine MI5 have a pretty thick files on all leading politicians.

People who think Russian spy's only ever operated among left wing groups are being a bit naive IMHO. The latter are also full of people who are on the payroll of British intelligence including a number who turn up waving flags and shouting at demos. Steptoe has never held ministerial office and probably has had virtually no access to secret government data. He had potential influence on the left of the Labour party but since most of his career has effectively been pursuing causes that have kept his party out of power and in opposition I doubt the Soviets would have thought him that useful unless they were keen to get Margaret Thatcher in office.  

BTW the current Czech government who control the entire Soviet era intelligence archive of their country  have stated that the allegations are not supported by any evidence in it.

Edited by Virgil Caine

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29 minutes ago, Goat said:

That's nice.

The Czech's were obviously interested enough in what he said to to pay him, and s1 of the 1911 act is increadibly wide ranging.

If plod are going to spend their time invistiating whether old men touched up little boys 40+ years ago then perhaps they could spend a moment or two investigating whether someone who aims to wield great power was in fact an agent of influence for our enemies.

Well he was certainly an agent of influence for Sinn Fein and potentially the IRA who were our enemies.

With regard to the Soviet espionage claims all I can say is the person in Czechoslovakia making the allegations has not actually provided any documentary evidence which he rather winsomely described to the Mail as 'Confidential'. The current Czech state which took over the Soviet era archive intact when the Iron Curtain fell and have since opened it up to historians don't think Steptoe was on their books. I doubt they are going to arrest Steptoe on the say so of an ex Soviet era hood feeding titbits to the British press  especially now we know what ex KGB operative definitely-not-gay Putin's chums have been up to in the USA.

Still if you want to believe stuff fed to you by old Soviet spy for a bit of dosh don't let me stop you.

As for the Official Secrets Act 1911- which incidentally I have signed more times than I care to mention - it was once so wide ranging that it used to be an offence to reveal what was on the menu in Civil Service Canterns

There are plenty of reasons for not wanting  Steptoe in power but in my view the main one is he is a dangerously naive idiot.

Edited by Virgil Caine

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4 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

At a point in Human History when there was an iron curtain separating two halves of Europe with millions of heavily armed soldiers, sailors and airmen on either side ready to fight one another within literally minutes when hardly anyone went from the West to the East, when lots of people on the Eastern side died trying to escape to the Western half two things of note, in my mind, happened:

1. Angela Merkel's father took his entire family from West Germany to live in East Germany whilst countless millions of East Germans, Poles, Czechs, etc, were desperate to try and get to the West and what they saw as freedom.

2. Steptoe and the Abbopotamus went on a motor-bike holiday in East Germany.

 

I find Merkel an extremely strange person with a very vague history that is not much talked about.

In fact I find the motives of childless politicians in general strange at the best of times as there is little incentive for them to make their countries a better place so actually wonder what actually drives them especially when they are ancient.

 

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39 minutes ago, SNACR said:

The only paid informant is Jan Sarkocy as would guess he’s being paid to peddle this bollocks.

I'm inclined to agree. Steptoe would certainly have talked to all sorts of commie spies back in the day but he would have had nothing of any value to give them and, even if he had, would likely have given it freely.

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11 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said:

I'm inclined to agree. Steptoe would certainly have talked to all sorts of commie spies back in the day but he would have had nothing of any value to give them and, even if he had, would likely have given it freely.

That is precisely what I think

I doubt there was any need for the Czechs to cultivate Steptoe as a paid spy as he was a left wing fellow traveller who was already hugely sympathetic to the Soviets. In terms of intelligence there was relatively little he had to offer as he was on the outer fringes of the Parliamentary party.  Doubtless the Czechs were keen to cultivate sources of information wherever they could find them but they could probably get it from Steptoe and his ilk via the usual 'fraternal' meetings and social contacts that occurred between the Soviet bloch and western socialists. On terms of agents they would be hoping someone with far more access and influence than Steptoe was likely to get. 

Edited by Virgil Caine

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