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Remoaners to die at second chance saloon?

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Well, now they've got what they want so they can stop bleating and cross their fingers.

All hopes on Dim Tim, Wee Krankie and the Yippy Hippy Corbin.

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4 minutes ago, Byron said:

Well, now they've got what they want so they can stop bleating and cross their fingers.

All hopes on Dim Tim, Wee Krankie and the Yippy Hippy Corbin.

I certainly hope so. Can't wait for the smile to be wiped off that poisoned dwarf Krankie's kip.

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The Lib/Lab/SNP must know they are toast at the election having spent the last year calling over half the population stupid racist and narrow minded. I am just waiting for them to start saying that this election is undemocratic or other nonsense.

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5 minutes ago, Oskar said:

The Lib/Lab/SNP must know they are toast at the election having spent the last year calling over half the population stupid racist and narrow minded. I am just waiting for them to start saying that this election is undemocratic or other nonsense.

Democracy is undemocratic! We need a dictatorship of the proletariat!

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Just now, whitevanman said:

Democracy is undemocratic! We need a dictatorship of the proletariat!

I am sure there are those who wish for it (as long as they are the ones in charge)

Oh shit... it has started:

Jess Phillips, Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley, said she was “a bit in shock” at Theresa May’s announcement.

I think that Theresa May has lied to the country again and again - and she is being opportunistic. I think it is rubbish what she is saying about a country divided - she obviously doesn’t live round where I live. People just want to get on with their lives. She’s playing a game and its a shame. I don’t think there was any appetite for a general election from the public and this is Westminster politics once again.

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7 minutes ago, Oskar said:

Can you smell the fear?

I can smell it from all the way across the Atlantic! Oddly, my opinion of Jeremy Corbyn just went up a bit. I had assumed that most of his "principles" were some kind of smoke screen but given that he just apparently agreed happily to an election he knows he's going to lose (although not as badly as some expect would be my guess) says that he's for real. Well either that or he's a Tory sleeper!

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Quite an astute piece in the New Statesman: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/04/liberal-britain-has-nothing-say

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Liberals who fulminate against Corbyn should remind themselves how he came to be the leader who has taken Labour to the brink of destruction. Has the stupefying banality of the campaigns of his rivals for the leadership already been forgotten? With the exception of Tristram Hunt, not one of the contenders showed any sign of fresh thinking. Corbynism is a consequence, not the cause, of the failure of the liberal centre ground.

After the shenanigans of the past few weeks, Labour is in a worse state than in the early Eighties. A change of leader will not be enough to make the party electable again. A radical shift in policies is needed that shows that the party respects the attitudes and values of the majority of voters. There is little sign of that at present, and it is not only Corbyn who stands in the way. By identifying liberal values with institutions and policies that cannot command democratic consent – European federalism, continuing large-scale immigration and unfettered globalisation, among others – the self-appointed guardians of liberal centrism in Labour and other parties have shirked the question of what liberalism means in the irrevocably changed conditions of our time. Until it can answer that question, liberal Britain has nothing to say.

 

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25 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

Brilliant. The guardian is satire no?

Comments good aswell.

".. general election with universal suffrage is a coup?......makes the daily mail sound like the voice of reason"

It's beyond satire!

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2 hours ago, Hail the Tripod said:

It is interesting that the French Socialist Party has imploded at much the same time and for much the same reasons. The party abandoned its working class roots for multiculturalism. Hollande won the 2012 election on his "Bourget" speech where he promised to protect the common man against "big finance" and the "1%" but on assuming office he adopted a strategy outlined by the Terra Nova group (a bit like the UK Common Purpose - they all have such Orwellian names these lefties) which said the future for the socialist party was with the muslim immigrant population and the "bobos" - middle class sympathizers (quislings to you and me, mate). The result is Hollande was unable to get enough support for a second term and the official socialist presidential candidate is polling in the single % area and in danger of bankrupting the party if he dips below the 5% threshold where election expenses are reimbursed. There is a good book on it by one of the thinkers behind the Bourget strategy

https://www.amazon.fr/gauche-zombie-Chroniques-malédiction-politique/dp/237344089X/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1492528415&sr=1-14&keywords=zombie

I remember the Greek socialist party has destructed too. Only in Germany do the socialists seem to be on the rise, talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas.

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3 hours ago, Oskar said:

I am sure there are those who wish for it (as long as they are the ones in charge)

Oh shit... it has started:

Jess Phillips, Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley, said she was “a bit in shock” at Theresa May’s announcement.

I think that Theresa May has lied to the country again and again - and she is being opportunistic. I think it is rubbish what she is saying about a country divided - she obviously doesn’t live round where I live. People just want to get on with their lives. She’s playing a game and its a shame. I don’t think there was any appetite for a general election from the public and this is Westminster politics once again.

God - Jess Philips

With Jacob Reece-Mogg, I like him!

19 minutes ago, davidg said:

It is interesting that the French Socialist Party has imploded at much the same time and for much the same reasons. The party abandoned its working class roots for multiculturalism. Hollande won the 2012 election on his "Bourget" speech where he promised to protect the common man against "big finance" and the "1%" but on assuming office he adopted a strategy outlined by the Terra Nova group (a bit like the UK Common Purpose - they all have such Orwellian names these lefties) which said the future for the socialist party was with the muslim immigrant population and the "bobos" - middle class sympathizers (quislings to you and me, mate). The result is Hollande was unable to get enough support for a second term and the official socialist presidential candidate is polling in the single % area and in danger of bankrupting the party if he dips below the 5% threshold where election expenses are reimbursed. There is a good book on it by one of the thinkers behind the Bourget strategy

https://www.amazon.fr/gauche-zombie-Chroniques-malédiction-politique/dp/237344089X/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1492528415&sr=1-14&keywords=zombie

I remember the Greek socialist party has destructed too. Only in Germany do the socialists seem to be on the rise, talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas.

excellent post

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30 minutes ago, Carl Fimble said:

God - Jess Philips

With Jacob Reece-Mogg, I like him!

excellent post

I don't know if it was just clever editing, but it really seemed like JRM was trying to get her to think through her rather bitter assumptions about the world like a wise and kindly teacher.

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3 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

I can smell it from all the way across the Atlantic! Oddly, my opinion of Jeremy Corbyn just went up a bit. I had assumed that most of his "principles" were some kind of smoke screen but given that he just apparently agreed happily to an election he knows he's going to lose (although not as badly as some expect would be my guess) says that he's for real. Well either that or he's a Tory sleeper!

He never really wanted the top job in the first place. He's thick skinned enough (actually deluded) to give it a go, most politicians would be too scared of the ego dent, Corbin wouldn't accept the result presented reality so no ego damage.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

I don't know if it was just clever editing, but it really seemed like JRM was trying to get her to think through her rather bitter assumptions about the world like a wise and kindly teacher.

I'm convinced he is a genuinely decent and kind man. Very eloquent and quite cutting in an extremely polite way but kind and decent.

I do like some "posh" folk, just did some work for one, a barrister with a £1m house and a dirty Landrover. Just a nice guy, nice to work for.

Both of them sorta reminded me of the Fulfords

They were given their land for work done in the crusades. It would be nice if the aristocracy stood up for us in our current battle.

 

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All this dodging and weaving by the remoaners really is bollocks. Of course the incumbent government wants total control of a change as big as Brexit!

It's deluded to think otherwise. Thinking of stupid reasons in order to slow down/derail the process is a total waste of everyone's time.

Just get the fuck on with it! 

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1 hour ago, Hail the Tripod said:

I don't know if it was just clever editing, but it really seemed like JRM was trying to get her to think through her rather bitter assumptions about the world like a wise and kindly teacher.

What an awful chip on her shoulder.

If the positions had been reversed and she was showing Rees-Mogg around her constituency, can you imagine her reaction if he'd made even half the snarky comments to her that she did to him?

"I was raised in no uncertain terms to hate Tories". Replace Tories with Jews, Muslims, blacks or gays and see how quickly the likes of her are bellowing "hate speech" form the rooftops. Oh, but it's OK to hate rich people - as long as they aren't Jewish, Muslim, black or gay, obviously.

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3 minutes ago, Fully Detached said:

What an awful chip on her shoulder.

If the positions had been reversed and she was showing Rees-Mogg around her constituency, can you imagine her reaction if he'd made even half the snarky comments to her that she did to him?

"I was raised in no uncertain terms to hate Tories". Replace Tories with Jews, Muslims, blacks or gays and see how quickly the likes of her are bellowing "hate speech" form the rooftops. Oh, but it's OK to hate rich people - as long as they aren't Jewish, Muslim, black or gay, obviously.

Rees-Mogg is a Tory.

They DO like it up 'em....

 

XYY

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2 minutes ago, Fully Detached said:

"I was raised in no uncertain terms to hate Tories". Replace Tories with Jews, Muslims, blacks or gays and see how quickly the likes of her are bellowing "hate speech" form the rooftops. Oh, but it's OK to hate rich people - as long as they aren't Jewish, Muslim, black or gay, obviously.

I see this a lot with Labour members and die-hard voters, they really do hate the Tories. Very tribal and completely programmed; unable to waiver from their position.

I have been a promiscuous voter for a while now; no party should be guaranteed your vote just because of the colour of their rosette.

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