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desertorchid

When did it all start to go wrong?

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I left the UK in 2004 and have never returned but have recently been pondering when things started to go wrong socially and culturally in the UK? Pivotal moments in the media which are both unforgettable but in hindsight clearly a turning point towards where we are today?

For me, it would be Bernhard Manning on Mrs Merton when he was utterly derided by an inferior comic and there was a collective hate fest at his mere existence. This was followed up a few years later by a despicable C4 show where he was sent to India for everyone to laugh at how woefully out of touch he was. At this time he was a sick man but attempts to humiliate him were endless. This pure display hate of someone you do not know yet who 'potentially' has alternate views to you continues to this day.

In reality of course Bernhard was from a different era and just told jokes with perfect comic timing. As Esther Rantzen commented that "for me, he's always been the villain of comedy". His family and friends insisted that his controversial ways were all an act. He lived next door to an Indian doctor's family, who have appeared in many newspaper articles over the years to defend Manning as a "perfect gentleman". A genuine Racist- NOT.

Does anyone have any other pivotal moments (likely from the 90's) which are the roots for our cultural revolution?

 

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I think the so-called alternative comedy lot have a lot to answer for.

Some of them seemed to go out of their way to target the estabalished comedians - perhaps it was their only way of removing so many of them that were seemingly entrenched in very lucrative TV contracts. Perhaps it was just the right time and a change was needed. But the alternative comedians often derided, indirectly if not directly, many British values, cultural norms and, of course, the Establishment.

Now that several of them are living outside of the UK in places like California, Oz, etc, is a bit grating to say the least.

Something fundamental haappened after 911 also IMPO.

Instead of going after the bad guys they seem to haave been given a 'get ouf jail free' card and the focus was put seemingly anywhere else other than at Saudi. I think this emboldened them enormously. If you can help fund aand/or plan 911, murdered thousands of people in the most powerful country on Earth and there is no come-back then what are you going to think and do going forward?

After 911, and espcially after the fall of Iraq and the collapse of Libya, the islamification of Europe and Western countries just seems to have taken on a life of its own. I don't think it is mere coincidence.

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It goes back further to the spread of cultural Marxism via the Frankfurt school and Soviet infiltration after Ww2 during the Cold War.

Look up Yuri of the KGB on you tube.

Edited by JackieO

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Funnily enough I would say that 1990 was about when it all started to go right for me.

This sounds nasty but the massive unemployment of the 80s seemed to mean that if you were prepared to have a go then there was always something you could turn your hand to. It took 5 years to buy our council flat but we did it, with the council telling us every step of the way that we would not survive without its guiding arm. But we sold up and when I went back last year what had once been a decent estate was now full of walking wounded courtesy of the DHS.

Overall and regardless of whatever party has bee in power, the last thirty years have been pretty good.

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26 minutes ago, desertorchid said:

I left the UK in 2004 and have never returned but have recently been pondering when things started to go wrong socially and culturally in the UK? Pivotal moments in the media which are both unforgettable but in hindsight clearly a turning point towards where we are today?

For me, it would be Bernhard Manning on Mrs Merton when he was utterly derided by an inferior comic and there was a collective hate fest at his mere existence. This was followed up a few years later by a despicable C4 show where he was sent to India for everyone to laugh at how woefully out of touch he was. At this time he was a sick man but attempts to humiliate him were endless. This pure display hate of someone you do not know yet who 'potentially' has alternate views to you continues to this day.

In reality of course Bernhard was from a different era and just told jokes with perfect comic timing. As Esther Rantzen commented that "for me, he's always been the villain of comedy". His family and friends insisted that his controversial ways were all an act. He lived next door to an Indian doctor's family, who have appeared in many newspaper articles over the years to defend Manning as a "perfect gentleman". A genuine Racist- NOT.

Does anyone have any other pivotal moments (likely from the 90's) which are the roots for our cultural revolution?

 

Diana's death, when the news media decided that they could get far more mileage reporting on how people feel about events, than factual accounts of the events themselves.

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In particular I was thinking about this rise in hate filled virtue signalling as it appears to have existed before online social networking. Political forces clearly at play and Blair with his Third Way: 

In politics, the Third Way is a position akin to centrism that tries to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of centre-right economics and centre-left social policies.

Can you take the aggressive self determinism of right wing politics with the caring ethos of leftist social policies ? or is the result always two faced hypocrites that have polluted the political landscape for two decades?

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35 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

May 1st 1997.

To my everlasting shame, at the time I wasn't unhappy with the result. One lives and learns.

Nope.

Cunt Brown carried on with Kenneth JazznCigars spending limits til the lae 90s.

Wheels fell off when the 'Brown for World President' campaign started in 2001ish. Thats when Brown and co-idiots blew the biggest credit bubble the UK has ever seen and started spending which gave the UK a 12% (count it!) budget deficit in 2010.

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49 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

May 1st 1997.

To my everlasting shame, at the time I wasn't unhappy with the result. One lives and learns.

I think that might have been because the previous lot were so rotten? 

The song went "It can only get better" - little did we know then how even more utterly rotten it could get.

Edited by twocents

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When did it all start to go wrong?

I think it has been increasingly building up since Britain "went into europe" - for want of a better way of describing it.

You could probably trace the beginnings of that back to World Wars 1 and 2.

Edited by twocents

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18 minutes ago, desertorchid said:

In particular I was thinking about this rise in hate filled virtue signalling as it appears to have existed before online social networking. Political forces clearly at play and Blair with his Third Way: 

In politics, the Third Way is a position akin to centrism that tries to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of centre-right economics and centre-left social policies.

Can you take the aggressive self determinism of right wing politics with the caring ethos of leftist social policies ? or is the result always two faced hypocrites that have polluted the political landscape for two decades?

I always thought that the third way meant that power in itself was the end and that it was no good having principles and ideology if you weren't in a position to implement any of them. The fact that you had to abandon most of them in order to gain power was seen as the lesser of two evils.

That's how Adam Curtis explained it anyway.

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1 minute ago, eight said:

I always thought that the third way meant that power in itself was the end and that it was no good having principles and ideology if you weren't in a position to implement any of them. The fact that you had to abandon most of them in order to gain power was seen as the lesser of two evils.

That's how Adam Curtis explained it anyway.

That's how Blair himself explained it when he took control of the so called Labour party.  The so called Labour party accepted it because they desperately wanted power for its own sake.

That attitude has also been the downfall of the so called Conservatives as well.

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11 minutes ago, eight said:

I always thought that the third way meant that power in itself was the end and that it was no good having principles and ideology if you weren't in a position to implement any of them. The fact that you had to abandon most of them in order to gain power was seen as the lesser of two evils.

That's how Adam Curtis explained it anyway.

Blair's third way appears to have taken the baton of Economic thinking from the tories and add his brand of socialism "My kind of socialism is a set of values based around notions of social justice" (Wikipedia). 

Is it not the young and influenced of his generation now entering the workforce/media etc that has created this surge in SJW's etc. (and other hangers on). 

Edited by desertorchid

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14 minutes ago, JoeDavola said:

Whereabouts in the world did you move to?

Hong Kong, dog eat dog ultra free market capitalism with one enormous safety net (majority gets a free flat).

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15 minutes ago, desertorchid said:

Blair's third way appears to have taken the baton of Economic thinking from the tories and add his brand of socialism "My kind of socialism is a set of values based around notions of social justice" (Wikipedia). 

Is it not the young and influenced of his generation now entering the workforce/media etc that has created this surge in SJW's etc. (and other hangers on). 

I also think Blair's brand of socialism leant very heavily on Bill Clinton's policies, tips and politics about how he gained power in the US.  Garnered from their various meetings in the US before the 1997 general election and as reported by the MSM - part of the image he wanted to present of himself as a completely new face with fresh ideas to benefit the people - of course little did we know at the time the awful extent of downright greed and self servery behind it all.

Edited by twocents

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