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Frank Hovis

Could you be a male lesbian?

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I'm having trouble keeping up with this.  So you can be born a man, declare yourself a trans woman, and then demand to be recognised as a lesbian because you fancy women. And have a dick.

Any trans woman who is socially or sexually oriented toward women and is desirous of being part of the lesbian community finds the going extremely difficult, if not impossible. This has been called the “cotton ceiling.” Even those who do manage to hook up with a cis lesbian will find that the latter will often come under attack by her friends for being intimate with a trans woman.

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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5659525

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

I'm having trouble keeping up with this.  So you can be born a man, declare yourself a trans woman, and then demand to be recognised as a lesbian because you fancy women. And have a dick.

Any trans woman who is socially or sexually oriented toward women and is desirous of being part of the lesbian community finds the going extremely difficult, if not impossible. This has been called the “cotton ceiling.” Even those who do manage to hook up with a cis lesbian will find that the latter will often come under attack by her friends for being intimate with a trans woman.

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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5659525

 

There are lots of things that I would be blamed for not understanding if i admitted to them

 

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At Cambridge Soviet Socialist City Council there were two councillors who started off as men, both had the Op and lived together as lovers. 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2007/05/24/trans-mayor-and-mayoress-take-office-in-cambridge/

They have another one now called Zoe

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/one-biggest-lgbt-populations-country-12926373

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9 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

I'm having trouble keeping up with this.  So you can be born a man, declare yourself a trans woman, and then demand to be recognised as a lesbian because you fancy women. And have a dick.

Any trans woman who is socially or sexually oriented toward women and is desirous of being part of the lesbian community finds the going extremely difficult, if not impossible. This has been called the “cotton ceiling.” Even those who do manage to hook up with a cis lesbian will find that the latter will often come under attack by her friends for being intimate with a trans woman.

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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5659525

I probably don’t want or need to know, but what is a cis lesbian?  

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2 minutes ago, One percent said:

I probably don’t want or need to know, but what is a cis lesbian?  

A women born with a vagina who likes others with a vagina. Lesbians are coming under increasing pressure to have relationships with cocks in frocks - they are transphobes if they don't. It's one of the reasons why some are now calling for the T to get out of LGBT (add the rest)

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5 minutes ago, One percent said:

I probably don’t want or need to know, but what is a cis lesbian?  

Cis is opposite of Trans

Think isomers

Cis lesbian is a woman who is a woman (cis) and who is a lesbian, birth sex equals gender

Trans lesbian would be a man who is an unreal woman (Trans) and who is a lesbian, birth sex does not equal gender

 

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7 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said:

At Cambridge Soviet Socialist City Council there were two councillors who started off as men, both had the Op and lived together as lovers. 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2007/05/24/trans-mayor-and-mayoress-take-office-in-cambridge/

They have another one now called Zoe

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/one-biggest-lgbt-populations-country-12926373

Reading that is like listening to "I'm my own Grandpa" where I am sure the steps of logic are sound but I get lost part way through and lose who is what and to whom.

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Just now, One percent said:

I probably don’t want or need to know, but what is a cis lesbian?  

A cis lesbian is a lesbian.

"Cis" is an invented word meaning "born as" so also "cis man", "cis woman".

It is a word created to make the normal appear to be a choice rather than natural reality.

So whilst you may not be aware of it the argument encapsulated within the word "cis" is that you're choosing to be a "cis woman" when you could equally be a "non-cis man".  With the two being 100% equal in law.

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Just now, Frank Hovis said:

A cis lesbian is a lesbian.

"Cis" is an invented word meaning "born as" so also "cis man", "cis woman".

It is a word created to make the normal appear to be a choice rather than natural reality.

So whilst you may not be aware of it the argument encapsulated within the word "cis" is that you're choosing to be a "cis woman" when you could equally be a "non-cis man".  With the two being 100% equal in law.

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Ta both. I think I understand. 

There are some really deluded blokes. You can see the argument can’t you.

im a lesbian and thus only fancy other women

yes, but I identify as a lesbian, so you have to have sex with me

but you have a cock, I don’t do cock

you are discriminating. 

Ffs. Should we cross this with the delusional student thread?  o.O

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I think the theory is that 'sexual attraction' bit of the brain is different to the 'sexual identity' part of the brain.

Hence gay men are happy to be men, and transed guys (who want to look girly) aren't necessarily going to fancy men.  Hence the 'male lesbian'.  It is even fine for the girls -- lesbians don't hate dick, particularly, they just don't fancy 'men shaped objects'.  So, for some, a 'female shaped object' that also has a dick is actually a great compromise.

Now, I'm actually happy to accept this theory.  Doesn't impact on me much.

But, the consequences aren't simple.

If you're a guy that fancies other guys then you just have to find another like minded individual.  This works really well -- everyone's happy.

If you're a guy that wants to look girly, then the current obsession with being allowed to be cut up to look a teensy bit more girly but mainly still manly isn't necessarily going to make you happy.   Hence all the suicides.  I think the right approach is psychotherapy.

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4 minutes ago, Dipsy said:

A women born with a vagina who likes others with a vagina. Lesbians are coming under increasing pressure to have relationships with cocks in frocks - they are transphobes if they don't. It's one of the reasons why some are now calling for the T to get out of LGBT (add the rest)

We are seeing similar issues with colour preference. Previously colour preference in relationships was not seen as racist but this seems to be being eroded. I dare say the focus is against white women who don't want to have a relationship with black / Asian men. In contrast in PC world I suspects its perfectly reasonable for a black or Asian woman to not want a relationship with a white man.  

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20 minutes ago, dgul said:

I think the theory is that 'sexual attraction' bit of the brain is different to the 'sexual identity' part of the brain.

Hence gay men are happy to be men, and transed guys (who want to look girly) aren't necessarily going to fancy men.  Hence the 'male lesbian'.  It is even fine for the girls -- lesbians don't hate dick, particularly, they just don't fancy 'men shaped objects'.  So, for some, a 'female shaped object' that also has a dick is actually a great compromise.

Now, I'm actually happy to accept this theory.  Doesn't impact on me much.

But, the consequences aren't simple.

If you're a guy that fancies other guys then you just have to find another like minded individual.  This works really well -- everyone's happy.

If you're a guy that wants to look girly, then the current obsession with being allowed to be cut up to look a teensy bit more girly but mainly still manly isn't necessarily going to make you happy.   Hence all the suicides.  I think the right approach is psychotherapy.

why is it that many rug munchers actualy adopt the male persona mens aftershave,boxers jeans etc.....i told one at work that i was the cure for lesbianism and i could take the pain away....she replyed if i was female she would fk me has she liked my sense of humour...lucky i didnt end up in the office for that one.

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6 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said:

I've tried. Genuinely I've done my best, but I still don't understand half of what  this 'cis', trans, lgbt, yadda yadda, bollocks us all about. 

To me 90% of it sounds like the prattlings of a complete lunatic. In fact, before social media made mental illness mainstream and socially acceptable, I think the vocal activists of most of this sort of shite would have been referred to a psychologist.

 

Top post. As usual, you manage to cut through the crap and make a laser like analysis sarge. 

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8 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said:

I've tried. Genuinely I've done my best, but I still don't understand half of what  this 'cis', trans, lgbt, yadda yadda, bollocks us all about. 

To me 90% of it sounds like the prattlings of a complete lunatic. In fact, before social media made mental illness mainstream and socially acceptable, I think the vocal activists of most of this sort of shite would have been referred to a psychologist.

 

This is an interesting read

http://mirandayardley.com/en/what-autogynephilia-is-and-what-is-it-not-a-brief-note/ 

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13 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said:

I've tried. Genuinely I've done my best, but I still don't understand half of what  this 'cis', trans, lgbt, yadda yadda, bollocks us all about. 

To me 90% of it sounds like the prattlings of a complete lunatic. In fact, before social media made mental illness mainstream and socially acceptable, I think the vocal activists of most of this sort of shite would have been referred to a psychologist.

 

I remember only 10 years ago the tabloid press taking the rip out of anyone who had a sex changed.  Those stories about for example a teacher ending the school year as a Sir called Robert and returning in September as Miss called Gill having had his knob chopped off in the summer holidays.  How the kids must have sniggered.  Now however.....

the changes in a decade are seismic.  I remember in the 80s the first time I saw 2 blokes snogging.  I was speechless.

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2 minutes ago, Ina said:

I remember only 10 years ago the tabloid press taking the rip out of anyone who had a sex changed.  Those stories about for example a teacher ending the school year as a Sir called Robert and returning in September as Miss called Gill having had his knob chopped off in the summer holidays.  How the kids must have sniggered.  Now however.....

the changes in a decade are seismic.  I remember in the 80s the first time I saw 2 blokes snogging.  I was speechless.

It feels like much more than 40 years to my childhood when you look at social changes. And it’s not all good either.

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25 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said:

I've tried. Genuinely I've done my best, but I still don't understand half of what  this 'cis', trans, lgbt, yadda yadda, bollocks us all about. 

To me 90% of it sounds like the prattlings of a complete lunatic. In fact, before social media made mental illness mainstream and socially acceptable, I think the vocal activists of most of this sort of shite would have been referred to a psychologist.

 

Why don't we just widen the scope of accepted "mentally ill" to encompass all this confusion. We are now so much more understanding to the mentally ill and few "there theres" and "it's not their fault" may do the trick.

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