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Frank Hovis

Got a keyless car? Still got it?

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Keyless entry is not a tech I liked when it came out.  Not knowing if your car's locked and being able to start and go with your key on your front room windowsill rather than your pocket.  It seemed to be replacing a perfectly good system of blipper key fobs with something worse just because it was a more recent development.

It also turns out that your car is ridiculously easy to steal if the signal from your keyless entry can be sensed from outside your house.

Then all you need is this which will cost you a mere £260:

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Good innit.

Ford Fiestas are at risk as keyless car theft soars with police saying crooks hack into vehicles with electronic devices sold on Amazon and eBay

  • All models of keyless cars have been stolen, including BMWs and Range Rovers  
  • But owners of Britain's most popular vehicle have been among the hardest hit
  • Cleveland Police had 90 reports of keyless cars being stolen since December 
  • Half of them were Fiestas, the country's best-selling motor for the past decade 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5546751/Ford-Fiestas-risk-keyless-car-theft-soars.html

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I have keyless entry on my current car - I've never seen any advantage to it other than the theoretical one that it's impossible to accidentally lock your keys in the car. I've just ordered a new car and found that keyless entry was an optional extra costing several hundred quid, so I'll be back to using the key fob soon.

At which point I will no doubt lock my keys inside the car for the first time ever.

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I like the keyless entry.  There is a little black button on my door handle.  Walk up with the key, press the button, jump in, drive off. 

The boot also opens with the car locked which is great when your hands are full.  

Problem is, as the article says, thieves can also do the same. o.O

ive got one of these

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071DP4KTZ/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item

six quid and when I get home, just pop the key in it. It works too. 

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5 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Keyless entry is not a tech I liked when it came out.  Not knowing if your car's locked and being able to start and go with your key on your front room windowsill rather than your pocket.  It seemed to be replacing a perfectly good system of blipper key fobs with something worse just because it was a more recent development.

It also turns out that your car is ridiculously easy to steal if the signal from your keyless entry can be sensed from outside your house.

Then all you need is this which will cost you a mere £260:

4A94C00100000578-5546751-image-a-62_1522

 

Good innit.

Ford Fiestas are at risk as keyless car theft soars with police saying crooks hack into vehicles with electronic devices sold on Amazon and eBay

  • All models of keyless cars have been stolen, including BMWs and Range Rovers  
  • But owners of Britain's most popular vehicle have been among the hardest hit
  • Cleveland Police had 90 reports of keyless cars being stolen since December 
  • Half of them were Fiestas, the country's best-selling motor for the past decade 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5546751/Ford-Fiestas-risk-keyless-car-theft-soars.html

My neighbour's car was done just before Christmas.

They took a laptop/phone from his car, no damage to the car, doors all locked.

Someone told me about these devices, if they can detect the signal from outside, they can open you car.

In and out, no damage.

Make sure your cars are well away from the front door...or....

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Just now, TheCountOfNowhere said:

My neighbour's car was done just before Christmas.

They took a laptop/phone from his car, no damage to the car, doors all locked.

Someone told me about these devices, if they can detect the signal from outside, they can open you car.

In and out, no damage.

Make sure your cars are well away from the front door...or....

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A new version of tin foil hat; tin foil key. :)

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My 2007 Micra has keyless fob. I really like it because my keys stay in my handbag. You also need to be quite close for it work, even if it’s not close enough when you’re inside, it will keep beeping. 

Furthermore, I very much doubt anyone would want to steal it. 

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4 minutes ago, Battenberg said:

My 2007 Micra has keyless fob. I really like it because my keys stay in my handbag. You also need to be quite close for it work, even if it’s not close enough when you’re inside, it will keep beeping. 

Furthermore, I very much doubt anyone would want to steal it. 

Um, I forget the model but one was taken off a drive last week in (I think) Bodmin and the people were interviewed on the radio.  They thought it was safe from being stolen because it was relatively old and only worth about three grand.

Though yes a ten year old Nissan Micra has probably fallen below those thieves' radar.

It may still get taken by someone who just wants to get somewhere; this happened to a mate with a car worth less than £500 and when it was found and we went to pick it up, undamaged bar the steering lock, the thief had thrown away most of the rubbish that he used to just drop in it!

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3 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Um, I forget the model but one was taken off a drive last week in (I think) Bodmin and the people were interviewed on the radio.  They thought it was safe from being stolen because it was relatively old and only worth about three grand.

Though yes a ten year old Nissan Micra has probably fallen below those thieves' radar.

It may still get taken by someone who just wants to get somewhere; this happened to a mate with a car worth less than £500 and when it was found and we went to pick it up, undamaged bar the steering lock, the thief had thrown away most of the rubbish that he used to just drop in it!

True, it’s usually opportunists so I guess if the situation was right it would be taken. 

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2 minutes ago, Battenberg said:

True, it’s usually opportunists so I guess if the situation was right it would be taken. 

Opportunists would probably not have the specialist equipment needed to steal a keyless entry car, so you should be safe. 

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29 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Just protecting the key may not be sufficient; for safety do this every time you leave the car:

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That's the public sector solution. 

12 minutes ago, unregistered_guest said:

Is this a spoiler for series 11 of Dr Who?

No, that's me on my way to work

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1 hour ago, Fully Detached said:

I have keyless entry on my current car - I've never seen any advantage to it other than the theoretical one that it's impossible to accidentally lock your keys in the car. I've just ordered a new car and found that keyless entry was an optional extra costing several hundred quid, so I'll be back to using the key fob soon.

At which point I will no doubt lock my keys inside the car for the first time ever.

I had a keyless entry car for the last 2 years, was never that keen on it. 

Having switched back to remote key I'm constantly forgetting to take the key out when I leave the car, get in without taking the key out of my pocket or forgetting to lock it properly. I think after 5 months I'm now just about back to normal car behaviour.

 

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1 minute ago, gilf said:

I had a keyless entry car for the last 2 years, was never that keen on it. 

Having switched back to remote key I'm constantly forgetting to take the key out when I leave the car, get in without taking the key out of my pocket or forgetting to lock it properly. I think after 5 months I'm now just about back to normal car behaviour.

 

On my keyless entry car, at least twice I've walked away leaving the keys in the car ( on the passenger seat )

 

I miss a car with a key start and wont buy one again.

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1 minute ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

On my keyless entry car, at least twice I've walked away leaving the keys in the car ( on the passenger seat )

 

I miss a car with a key start and wont buy one again.

I'm a man of tradition, I always keep my keys in my left pocket, wallet (and more recently phone) in the right. Done that for the last 30+ years and so whenever I don't have a particular item I know almost instantly because it just feels odd. I've never once lost a set of keys or wallet. 

If it wasn't for that then I'd almost certainly would have left the key in the car multiple times. 

The other issue of course is the expense, for the Qashqai a new key was £350, I only received one when I purchased it and it was a constant worry that if I did lose it I'd be fucked. I'm a 2 key minimum person normally, if they are cheap enough I'd normally be wanting 3 keys. 

It's at the point now that on Auto-trader/Ebay and the like it's seen as a plus the car has two keys, when I went to webuyanycar I had a argument with the bloke because they knocked off money because of a missing key, it was described just as that and so I told them it was bollocks because it can't be missing if the car never came with it in the first place.

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11 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

On my keyless entry car, at least twice I've walked away leaving the keys in the car ( on the passenger seat )

 

I miss a car with a key start and wont buy one again.

I tried putting my bag in the boot with the keys in.  The boot kept opening and bleeping at me until I took the fob thingy out of my bag. 

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18 minutes ago, One percent said:

I tried putting my bag in the boot with the keys in.  The boot kept opening and bleeping at me until I took the fob thingy out of my bag. 

:)

I think the manufacturers are wrong with this feature.

Cars technology has moved apace in recent years with some great standard equipemt

Sat Nav: Great

Elec Windows: Great

Central Locking: Great

Air Con: Great

 

 

These are all features that save a lot of effort/time/pain.

Putting a key in a hole and turning it is not really anywhere near those and feels gimmicky.

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11 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

:)

I think the manufacturers are wrong with this feature.

Cars technology has moved apace in recent years with some great standard equipemt

Sat Nav: Great

Elec Windows: Great

Central Locking: Great

Air Con: Great

 

 

These are all features that save a lot of effort/time/pain.

Putting a key in a hole and turning it is not really anywhere near those and feels gimmicky.

Sat Nav is the stand out one for me.

When you are driving in a city that you don't know a voice telling you what lane to get into and which turning to take removes an enormous amount of stress from the journey.

Maps are fine between towns and cities but in their centres it is very hard to both use a map and drive.

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I had to have the remote 'open the windows' feature removed on my Zafira.

The reason was that I keep the keys in my pocket and sitting down in the house, the button could get pressed thus opening the windows.

After 3 or 4 mornings of finding the inside soaking wet, I went back to the main dealers and they told me that they disable this feature on cars about once a week.

So, another daft idea.

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Is the vehicle-keyfob protocol proprietary or standardised?

Does the car interrogate regularly for the presence of a keyfob ( I would assume this, as the car has a bigger battery), or does the fob routinely transmit ad hoc?

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2 hours ago, One percent said:

I tried putting my bag in the boot with the keys in.  The boot kept opening and bleeping at me until I took the fob thingy out of my bag. 

I’ve done that as well in my old Mercedes. One with a big red button to lower the boot (because I was too lazy and precious to burn the 1 calorie through the exertion of manually closing it myself. It was within a whisker of closing and I spotted the key next to my sainsburys shopping, believing there would be a soft close fail safe mechanism I sacrificed my arm and my god did that hurt. 

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7 minutes ago, longtomsilver said:

I’ve done that as well in my old Mercedes. One with a big red button to lower the boot (because I was too lazy and precious to burn the 1 calorie through the exertion of manually closing it myself. It was within a whisker of closing and I spotted the key next to my sainsburys shopping, believing there would be a soft close fail safe mechanism I sacrificed my arm and my god did that hurt. 

Mercedes with their "what can we add on to our S type this time?" approach have long passed the point of commonsense in their car making; it's liek buying an Escort and then emptying a branch of Tandy into it.

Guess how many electric motors there are in the current S Class Mercedes to move all those things that you didn't even realise that you wanted to move:

Spoiler

Genuine granite trim is an option in the outgoing S-class (and we’re told it’s a possibility this time around). The next frontier: a rechargeable scent diffuser hidden in the Benz’s glove box. Mercedes calls the fragrances “moods” and will offer four: Sports, Nightlife, Downtown, and Freeside. Sadly, none smells like beer and pretzels. The massaging seats have a hot-stone setting that uses a fast-acting heating element. And now that even the Chevy Malibu offers ambient lighting, the S-class has seven different colors, five dimming levels, and four dimming zones. A chauffeur package affixes a power-operated footrest to the right-rear seat. Along with the back-seat “cushionbag”, rear passengers in the S-class have inflatable seatbelts and motorized buckles that rise up out of the seat for easy access, and then retract. In total, there are more than 100 actuators and electric motors in the S-class.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/dissected-2014-mercedes-benz-s-class-feature

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