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Frank Hovis

Oddities of the English language

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These are a couple which I first came across in a fiendishly difficult crossword.

 

Napoo - the clue was "Dead of the first world war" which was from the song Napoo, toodeloo, goodbyee".  This is from the French "il n'y en a plus" he's not there anymore = dead.

 

Ycelpt - same crossword, took me ages to get this one.  It's an archaism where putting "Y" before a word makes it into the past particple so yclept = called.  The clue was something like "named or called".

From the definition:
 

Quote

 

‘a lady yclept Eleanora’

Origin

Old English gecleopod, past participle of cleopian ‘call’, of Germanic origin.

 

There were a handful of other "y" words of similar form still in use in my very old dictionary but I have forgotten them.

 

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3 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Frank you are older than my mate Wiglaf, who speaks like that. A bit like Chaucer.

But I speak like this

rm -rf `pwd`

 

and I never existed.

Wiglaf sounds like my kind of drinking partner.

I remembered another:

yclad = wearing

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1 minute ago, Frank Hovis said:

Wiglaf sounds like my kind of drinking partner.

I remembered another:

yclad = wearing

clad clothes cladding kecks lawnmower

All makes sense

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The Y in 'Ye Old Curiosity Shop' is a variant of the letter 'thorn' (or þorn) and is correctly pronounced 'th'.

The letter þ survices in modern Icelandic.

So ''Ye Old Curiosity Shop' is correctly pronounced 'The Old Curiosity Shop'.

Think of that next time you read þorn.

Edited by Happy Renting

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28 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

Mind, you're a bit of a cunning linguist aren't you @Frank Hovis...?

But then you're not really Frank Hovis, are you..?

You are in fact Frank Muir - and I claim my five pounds...!

;)

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XYY

Fake quote.  I can tell, because if it was really Frank Muir he would have said 'stwategy' and 'dwink'.

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Just now, Happy Renting said:

Fake quote.  I can tell, because if it was really Frank Muir he would have said 'stwategy' and 'dwink'.

Aye. But despite his "welease woderwick" vocal affliction, at least Frank could complete the sentence in one go - unlike that stammering old twat Patrick Campbell.

He made a half-hour show seem like three bastard weeks...!

 

XYY

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5 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

There were a handful of other "y" words of similar form still in use in my very old dictionary but I have forgotten them.

 

Getteth thee a newe dictionaereye.

Edited by Happy Renting

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12 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

I remembered another:

yclad = wearing

 

9 hours ago, Happy Renting said:

The Y in 'Ye Old Curiosity Shop' is a variant of the letter 'thorn' (or þorn) and is correctly pronounced 'th'.

My guess is that Frank's y- isn't the thorn, but an ordinary y, pronounced as such. I say that because the method of forming past participles this way is very like the Dutch, where you use a (soft) ge-, which could easily be cognate with the the archaic English y-, as they're both Germanic languages.

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