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The Germans and the killer Dog

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The Germans are now literally too soft to put down a killer Dog that mauled it's owners to death.

The whole country is toast.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/09/germany-chico-dog-that-killed-owners-petition-hanover?__twitter_impression=true

A dog that was due to be put down after mauling its owners to death may receive a stay of execution after German authorities admitted mistakes following a nationwide petition to save it.

Chico, a staffordshire terrier, was captured by firefighters who broke into a flat near Hanover last Tuesday and found the bodies of its owners, named as Lezime K, 52, and her son Liridon, 27. An autopsy found they had bled to death after being attacked by the animal.

The dog was to be put down, but after more than 250,000 people signed a petition titled Let Chico Live, Udo Möller, a city spokesman, said authorities were ready to admit they had made mistakes by failing to remove Chico from its owners, having recognised that they were overwhelmed by the dog, which had been trained to fight.

 

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3 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

The Germans are now literally too soft to put down a killer Dog that mauled it's owners to death.

The whole country is toast.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/09/germany-chico-dog-that-killed-owners-petition-hanover?__twitter_impression=true

A dog that was due to be put down after mauling its owners to death may receive a stay of execution after German authorities admitted mistakes following a nationwide petition to save it.

Chico, a staffordshire terrier, was captured by firefighters who broke into a flat near Hanover last Tuesday and found the bodies of its owners, named as Lezime K, 52, and her son Liridon, 27. An autopsy found they had bled to death after being attacked by the animal.

The dog was to be put down, but after more than 250,000 people signed a petition titled Let Chico Live, Udo Möller, a city spokesman, said authorities were ready to admit they had made mistakes by failing to remove Chico from its owners, having recognised that they were overwhelmed by the dog, which had been trained to fight.

 

If that’s a picture of the dog, it doesn’t look like a staffie to me. More like one of those American fighting dogs 

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17 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

The Germans are now literally too soft to put down a killer Dog that mauled it's owners to death.

The whole country is toast.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/09/germany-chico-dog-that-killed-owners-petition-hanover?__twitter_impression=true

A dog that was due to be put down after mauling its owners to death may receive a stay of execution after German authorities admitted mistakes following a nationwide petition to save it.

Chico, a staffordshire terrier, was captured by firefighters who broke into a flat near Hanover last Tuesday and found the bodies of its owners, named as Lezime K, 52, and her son Liridon, 27. An autopsy found they had bled to death after being attacked by the animal.

The dog was to be put down, but after more than 250,000 people signed a petition titled Let Chico Live, Udo Möller, a city spokesman, said authorities were ready to admit they had made mistakes by failing to remove Chico from its owners, having recognised that they were overwhelmed by the dog, which had been trained to fight.

 

Nobody mauled to death, but echoes of what the police are up against in a story from my home town this January

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5296843/Police-SHOOT-DEAD-abandoned-dog-tied-post.html

dog.jpg.3100afdfaa067f093b1e3ba7111a0a9e.jpg

 

 

The owner eventually got prosecuted, but not before the local bobbies experienced a trial via Facebook...!

Just search FB using the words Hartlepool, Dog and Shot  - and witness the madness...

 

dog1.jpg.06fdd8d0ff5f7972c9cd3eddfd709b57.jpg

 

dog2.jpg.03c0841dbece6bc74970a39a2e21fad6.jpg

 

 

XYY

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5 minutes ago, The XYY Man said:

Nobody mauled to death, but echoes of what the police are up against in a story from my home town this January

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5296843/Police-SHOOT-DEAD-abandoned-dog-tied-post.html

dog.jpg.3100afdfaa067f093b1e3ba7111a0a9e.jpg

 

 

The owner eventually got prosecuted, but not before the local bobbies experienced a trial via Facebook...!

Just search FB using the words Hartlepool, Dog and Shot  - and witness the madness...

 

dog1.jpg.06fdd8d0ff5f7972c9cd3eddfd709b57.jpg

 

dog2.jpg.03c0841dbece6bc74970a39a2e21fad6.jpg

 

 

XYY

Utter Madness.

o.O

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Dogs were bred/selected for centuries by killing the not inconsiderable number of dogs that had poor behaviours.  This might include 'attack the owner' and 'attack the animals they're looking after', but also includes technical stuff like 'being really rubbish at herding sheep', say. 

If you keep a dog now you're intrinsically supporting the efforts made generations ago by killing the ones you wouldn't have liked.

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12 minutes ago, dgul said:

Dogs were bred/selected for centuries by killing the not inconsiderable number of dogs that had poor behaviours.  This might include 'attack the owner' and 'attack the animals they're looking after', but also includes technical stuff like 'being really rubbish at herding sheep', say. 

If you keep a dog now you're intrinsically supporting the efforts made generations ago by killing the ones you wouldn't have liked.

I think mine was bred to be stupid. o.O

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1 hour ago, SpectrumFX said:

The Germans are now literally too soft to put down a killer Dog that mauled it's owners to death.

The whole country is toast.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/09/germany-chico-dog-that-killed-owners-petition-hanover?__twitter_impression=true

A dog that was due to be put down after mauling its owners to death may receive a stay of execution after German authorities admitted mistakes following a nationwide petition to save it.

Chico, a staffordshire terrier, was captured by firefighters who broke into a flat near Hanover last Tuesday and found the bodies of its owners, named as Lezime K, 52, and her son Liridon, 27. An autopsy found they had bled to death after being attacked by the animal.

The dog was to be put down, but after more than 250,000 people signed a petition titled Let Chico Live, Udo Möller, a city spokesman, said authorities were ready to admit they had made mistakes by failing to remove Chico from its owners, having recognised that they were overwhelmed by the dog, which had been trained to fight.

 

 

Just passed a guy walking one of these - he could barely control it. More muscle than Arnie.

 

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7 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

Just passed a guy walking one of these - he could barely control it. More muscle than Arnie.

 

It always concerns me when I see someone failing to control a dangerous looking dog.

What the hell these people are these people thinking?

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2 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

It always concerns me when I see someone failing to control a dangerous looking dog.

What the hell these people are these people thinking?

It amazes me the number of people who have dogs they can’t control. My dog walks to heal off the lead and quite often get a snide comment off those who clearly can’t control their dogs, as if my dog is going to attack their dog. 

Er, no, it’s a lab, they don’t do that and she does behave herself. 

Ex copper lives up the road and he had a right go at my daughter as she was outside with our dog sat on our front lawn. 

Just because he can’t trust his dogs....

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2 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

It's a fighting dog that has killed two people.

The police should have killed it on first sight.

I'm a dog owner and would describe myself as a caring, compassionate person.

I would cheerfully shoot that dog. In fact I'd quite happily take an axe to it.

Actually I'd do the same for any Staffordshire bull terrier type of dog for that matter.

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1 hour ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

Just passed a guy walking one of these - he could barely control it. More muscle than Arnie.

 

ive only ever owned staffys,very mardy dogs useless guard dogs good with kids because of there high tolerance to pain ie trod on paws often bad with dogs than randomly attack them whilst being walked by responsable owners on leads,been dogless for 9 years now but id not get another dog has i live alone and im rarely in

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Just now, stokiescum said:

ive only ever owned staffys,very mardy dogs useless guard dogs good with kids because of there high tolerance to pain ie trod on paws often bad with dogs than randomly attack them whilst being walked by responsable owners on leads,been dogless for 9 years now but id not get another dog has i live alone and im rarely in

 

The dog I was talking about was one of those American dogs like in the link image - incredibly powerful shoulders.

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35 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

The dog I was talking about was one of those American dogs like in the link image - incredibly powerful shoulders.

staffys are increadably powerfull,im off the pub but no doubt someone can post a pic of a powerful staffordshire bulldog.many want them banned but i brought 5 kids up and always had one,id not trust an english bull around kids they are far to clumsy and tend to be more 1 person dogs.ive shed no tears about banning pitbulls no doubt they can be great with kids but the name attracts idiot owners.staffys are often lambasted by the press...i think watchman the mascot of the now defunct staffordshire regiment was banned from germany under there dangerouse dogs act.

https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=staffordshire+bull+terrier&fr=crmas&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthebullybreeds.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2F1138933-staffordshire-bull-terrier.jpg#id=13&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogwallpapers.net%2Fwallpapers%2Fstaffordshire-bull-terrier-for-a-walk-photo.jpg&action=click

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1 hour ago, SpectrumFX said:

It always concerns me when I see someone failing to control a dangerous looking dog.

What the hell these people are these people thinking?

But, he looked so cute 12 months ago!

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1 hour ago, the gardener said:

I'm a dog owner and would describe myself as a caring, compassionate person.

I would cheerfully shoot that dog. In fact I'd quite happily take an axe to it.

Actually I'd do the same for any Staffordshire bull terrier type of dog for that matter.

Your allowed an opinion i always walked my Staffordshire bulls on a lead and hence it was under control what never ceased to surprise me was people that would  allow there loose and out of control dogs to run around me and allow there dogs to snap and snarl at me And my dog which was leashed Alsatians dobermans and rot ty  owners being amongst the worst in spite of these being very trainable dogs  the worst incident i ever had was being biten in the groin when I picked my dog up to stop it being attacked by an Alsatian  the owner was laughing whilst my dog tried tried to wriggle out i had it over my shoulder and said cant it defend itself i got bitten near the nuts and loosed blaze the Alsatians owner realised about 90 seconds later i was trying to do his dog a favour by picking blaze up i was protecting his dog ffs

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1 hour ago, stokiescum said:

Your allowed an opinion i always walked my Staffordshire bulls on a lead and hence it was under control what never ceased to surprise me was people that would  allow there loose and out of control dogs to run around me and allow there dogs to snap and snarl at me And my dog which was leashed Alsatians dobermans and rot ty  owners being amongst the worst in spite of these being very trainable dogs  the worst incident i ever had was being biten in the groin when I picked my dog up to stop it being attacked by an Alsatian  the owner was laughing whilst my dog tried tried to wriggle out i had it over my shoulder and said cant it defend itself i got bitten near the nuts and loosed blaze the Alsatians owner realised about 90 seconds later i was trying to do his dog a favour by picking blaze up i was protecting his dog ffs

To be fair I meet a couple of Staffies most days in the local park and they are ok. One is very old and fat and the other is a boisterous youngster that has calmed down somewhat - doesn't steal my dog's ball anymore. My dog tells it off if it gets too annoying.

However when all is said and done most of them have aggressive tendencies particularly with other dogs, they also are powerfully built and tenacious with vicious teeth and biting instinct. They were bred for fighting and really have no place in the modern world.

I wouldn't axe them all to death but I would have them compulsorily sterilised and the breed die out.

Huskies and similar can be added to that list too. Mostly owned by knob heads as well. Every one I've met can't be let off the lead and they go for every dog that passes by. WTF would you want a dog like that for?

I've got a retriever and he is well socialised, obedient and is brilliant with children. He doesn't jump up or bounce around with young children. He's only two and a half and has been well trained since 8 weeks old. I love him to bits but if he showed any sign of bad behaviour around children then he's gone. Not with the axe but rehomed - my parents would take him no problem.

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they are breed i agree to kill other dogs,if mines on a lead a fail to see the real problem its on a lead.the problem has always been other dogs not on a lead ,if there owners think its funny or if they think they are hard because they cant control there dogs thats not my concern or problem,i always did my best to protect there dogs by haveing mine on a lead.however should after the groin incident myself or my dog be attacked by a loose dog im afrade im going to make it a fair fight by looseing my dog even though i know the end result.its the only way i can make the idiots that loose there dogs understand they are responsable for there dogs actions.i have even seen my staffy attacked by a loose mastif that must have weighed 6 stone and he was on a lead.who is the most responsable me for haveing a fighting type of dog on a lead or the guy that let a mastif roam around the park loose ? the end result was also predictable mind that time i also twated the owner.

 

breed them out is one choice,but between geting attacked in your house and haveing a labridoor or a staffy is a no brainer ,the lab will bark and bite i agree the staffy will bite and hang on and rag them,giveing you chance to get a beer and a knife of your choice.think outside of the box would a pikey rather mug a lab owner walking his dog or a staffy owner walking his dog i agree bad owners cause problems but what next ban alsations 

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7 hours ago, stokiescum said:

Your allowed an opinion i always walked my Staffordshire bulls on a lead and hence it was under control what never ceased to surprise me was people that would  allow there loose and out of control dogs to run around me and allow there dogs to snap and snarl at me And my dog which was leashed Alsatians dobermans and rot ty  owners being amongst the worst in spite of these being very trainable dogs  the worst incident i ever had was being biten in the groin when I picked my dog up to stop it being attacked by an Alsatian  the owner was laughing whilst my dog tried tried to wriggle out i had it over my shoulder and said cant it defend itself i got bitten near the nuts and loosed blaze the Alsatians owner realised about 90 seconds later i was trying to do his dog a favour by picking blaze up i was protecting his dog ffs

Yeah I’d keep a staffie if god forbid I lived in pikeyville, UK. But then I know how to train and control a dog. This is the real issue, the dog type is a detail. 

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5 hours ago, the gardener said:

To be fair I meet a couple of Staffies most days in the local park and they are ok. One is very old and fat and the other is a boisterous youngster that has calmed down somewhat - doesn't steal my dog's ball anymore. My dog tells it off if it gets too annoying.

However when all is said and done most of them have aggressive tendencies particularly with other dogs, they also are powerfully built and tenacious with vicious teeth and biting instinct. They were bred for fighting and really have no place in the modern world.

I wouldn't axe them all to death but I would have them compulsorily sterilised and the breed die out.

Huskies and similar can be added to that list too. Mostly owned by knob heads as well. Every one I've met can't be let off the lead and they go for every dog that passes by. WTF would you want a dog like that for?

I've got a retriever and he is well socialised, obedient and is brilliant with children. He doesn't jump up or bounce around with young children. He's only two and a half and has been well trained since 8 weeks old. I love him to bits but if he showed any sign of bad behaviour around children then he's gone. Not with the axe but rehomed - my parents would take him no problem.

Are you sure that they are not Japanese akitas?  Vicious, nasty things. They should be on the banned dogs list. As you say, generally owned by knobs. 

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11 hours ago, The XYY Man said:

Nobody mauled to death, but echoes of what the police are up against in a story from my home town this January

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5296843/Police-SHOOT-DEAD-abandoned-dog-tied-post.html

dog.jpg.3100afdfaa067f093b1e3ba7111a0a9e.jpg

 

 

The owner eventually got prosecuted, but not before the local bobbies experienced a trial via Facebook...!

Just search FB using the words Hartlepool, Dog and Shot  - and witness the madness...

 

dog1.jpg.06fdd8d0ff5f7972c9cd3eddfd709b57.jpg

 

dog2.jpg.03c0841dbece6bc74970a39a2e21fad6.jpg

 

 

XYY

Bloody lunatics.

Can't be dealing with nutters like that. They seem to live on a planet completely removed from reality. Perhaps one that looks like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

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2 hours ago, One percent said:

Are you sure that they are not Japanese akitas?  Vicious, nasty things. They should be on the banned dogs list. As you say, generally owned by knobs. 

No the ones I know are huskies. There's a couple of hillbillies that come to the local park. From talking to them they clearly have limited or no education, are probably illiterate and are pretty much non-functioning as adults. They should be allowed to keep animals. They have two huskies.

Another guy has two pure white husky type things which are also aggressive but fairly easily avoided/dealt with as he only tears through the park being dragged along on his bike by these beasts being attached via a long lead to the handlebars. Being attached to the two-wheeled oaf does limit their opportunities for mischief.

There is an Alaskan malamute as well but he is extremely well behaved but again is always on the lead and under the control of a powerfully built bloke so he isn't an issue.

We do get the odd Akita but have never had issues with them as they're always on the lead. Where's the fun or point in that though?

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7 minutes ago, the gardener said:

No the ones I know are huskies. There's a couple of hillbillies that come to the local park. From talking to them they clearly have limited or no education, are probably illiterate and are pretty much non-functioning as adults. They should be allowed to keep animals. They have two huskies.

Another guy has two pure white husky type things which are also aggressive but fairly easily avoided/dealt with as he only tears through the park being dragged along on his bike by these beasts being attached via a long lead to the handlebars. Being attached to the two-wheeled oaf does limit their opportunities for mischief.

There is an Alaskan malamute as well but he is extremely well behaved but again is always on the lead and under the control of a powerfully built bloke so he isn't an issue.

We do get the odd Akita but have never had issues with them as they're always on the lead. Where's the fun or point in that though?

Agree.  I would not enjoy having a dog that I couldn’t trust or control. They need to be let off the lead and to have a level of freedom. 

The dog walker does too. xD

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1 hour ago, Sgt Hartman said:

Bloody lunatics.

Can't be dealing with nutters like that. They seem to live on a planet completely removed from reality. Perhaps one that looks like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

It's what comes of living in a bubble, insulated from reality and the need to engage with the tragedy of life through a culture of cradle-to-grave benefits. 

Animals to them are all loveable furry pets, miniature humans in animal form. 

If the RSPCA decided it was necessary to kill the animal I think we can safely assume it was necessary. 

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18 minutes ago, the gardener said:

No the ones I know are huskies. There's a couple of hillbillies that come to the local park. From talking to them they clearly have limited or no education, are probably illiterate and are pretty much non-functioning as adults. They should be allowed to keep animals. They have two huskies.

Another guy has two pure white husky type things which are also aggressive but fairly easily avoided/dealt with as he only tears through the park being dragged along on his bike by these beasts being attached via a long lead to the handlebars. Being attached to the two-wheeled oaf does limit their opportunities for mischief.

There is an Alaskan malamute as well but he is extremely well behaved but again is always on the lead and under the control of a powerfully built bloke so he isn't an issue.

We do get the odd Akita but have never had issues with them as they're always on the lead. Where's the fun or point in that though?

Huskies are good dogs but not for everyone, need a strong skilled dominant owner and not ideal for urban environments as if you have kids they'll have the throat out of any other dog that approaches and they're very quick. Plus they need a LOT of exercise. I think I read that genetically they're the closest dog to the wolf, so you wouldn't expect them to be ideal for parks in Surrey.

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