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SpectrumFX

When did Nelson become controversial?

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He offended all shop keepers in 1794, the UK is a "a nation of shopkeepers", or was that Napoleon? Meh who reads history anyway.

Taking down statues seems like the virtue signalling bandwagon to jump on.

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58 minutes ago, whitevanman said:

Bunch of lefty cunts. Who put them in charge of our history? 

https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/statements/contested-heritage

The very idea that historic England needs managing tells you all you need to know

Proudhon had these oxygen thieves number years ago

"To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality."

Edited by Virgil Caine

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22 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

Is it just me, or is the very idea that there's any sort of mileage in attacking Nelson - Nelson for fucks sake - just mental?

They should build another bloody statue of him on the spare plinth in Trafalgar Square.

Time to learn German, French, Spainish, Russian, Chinese and Icelandic etc ?

The next time someone wants to invade the UK we are fecked, may as well speak the new overlords lingo 😜👍

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24 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

Sigh. Who the fuck knows what lunacy is behind this. Maybe he didn't permit transgender sailors, only gay or bisexual ones?

 

Nelson had real women on his ship

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23 minutes ago, 201p said:

 

Taking down statues seems like the virtue signalling bandwagon to jump on.

Idolatry is not permitted in some cultures.

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It will be because of his position on slavery. In that respect, Nelson was a product of his time. The triangular trade was a big earner for Britain, as as a naval officer, his job was to protect British commercial interests at sea. He married the daughter of a plantation owner and undoubtedly counted other plantation owners amongst his friends.

But yes - these people have a very valid point. One which all politicians should unequivocally make loud and clear.

Any historical figure who profited from the slave trade in past generations must be publicly vilified and condemned.

No exceptions.

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46 minutes ago, unregistered_guest said:

It will be because of his position on slavery. In that respect, Nelson was a product of his time. The triangular trade was a big earner for Britain, as as a naval officer, his job was to protect British commercial interests at sea. He married the daughter of a plantation owner and undoubtedly counted other plantation owners amongst his friends.

But yes - these people have a very valid point. One which all politicians should unequivocally make loud and clear.

Any historical figure who profited from the slave trade in past generations must be publicly vilified and condemned.

No exceptions.

That is the Prophet Mohammed fucked then.

Not that anyone would dare put up a statue to him.

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3 minutes ago, Virgil Caine said:

That is the Prophet Mohammed fucked then.

Not that anyone would dare out up a statue to him.

You cannot make an image. I'm quite happy to be depicted on a camel, for all to see.

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6 minutes ago, Virgil Caine said:

The statues of Nelson were put up to celebrate his victories over the French. That is why it is in a place called Trafalgar Square. They were not designed to commemorate his views on slavery or anything else for that matter 

I thought the Eurostar train turning up at Waterloo station, was magic!xD

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1 hour ago, unregistered_guest said:

Any historical figure who profited from the slave trade in past generations must be publicly vilified and condemned.

No exceptions.

 

1 hour ago, Virgil Caine said:

That is the Prophet Mohammed fucked then.

That is the inescapable conclusion.

But how many of those calling for the removal of Nelson's statue will have thought it through to that point?

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14 minutes ago, unregistered_guest said:

 

That is the inescapable conclusion.

But how many of those calling for the removal of Nelson's statue will have thought it through to that point?

The topic of slavery cannot be finessed.

If one believes owning other human beings as objects or chattels is wrong ( as incidentally I do) then that judgement must apply across all societies and cultures. The idea that ancient Roman, Islamic, Chinese or African slave owning practises are somehow more morally acceptable for cultural reasons than those of the early modern European Empires is the most intellectually dishonest and weasely argument you will ever encounter.

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The thing is, in 500 years time, people may look to what we are doing as barbaric now.

-Woah - we eat meat in the 21st century!

-We cause genocide every time we use bleach in the toilet.

-We kill billions of sub space lifeforms every time we breath, which are not detectable with today's technology.

Sometimes we just have to accept and move on, remember that those times were then, and times are different now. People should be mature enough to accept this.

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2 hours ago, unregistered_guest said:

 

Any historical figure who profited from the slave trade in past generations must be publicly vilified and condemned.

No exceptions.

Like most of the European royal families?

 

Like most of the modern day bankers?

 

Bring it on.

Slavery never ended 

 

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