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sarahbell

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/alfie-evans-life-support-latest-14567856

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
 

Barrister Paul Diamond, who represents the couple, told the judge that Alfie had been granted Italian citizenship on Monday.

He said an Italian government representative wanted to intervene in the case and asked for more time.

Mr Diamond said there was now an "international relations element" to the case.

 

 

So is Italy getting the NHS bill now?

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1 hour ago, sarahbell said:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/alfie-evans-life-support-latest-14567856

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
 

Barrister Paul Diamond, who represents the couple, told the judge that Alfie had been granted Italian citizenship on Monday.

He said an Italian government representative wanted to intervene in the case and asked for more time.

Mr Diamond said there was now an "international relations element" to the case.

 

 

So is Italy getting the NHS bill now?

Well, hopefully they can pay the dole scum parents and their supporters benefits too.

Oh, Italy does not 'do' working age benefits.

No international element to this. Just legal aid and dysfunctional scum.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5650177/Alfie-Evans-clinging-life-Adler-Hey-hospital-removes-life-support.html

Here are the stupid cunts claiming hes breathing on his own. He's not, there's oxygen going to him.

AFAICT the poor sods got some mitocrhodrial DNA issue. Hes falling to bits. Hes been in Alder hey for ~18 months.

 

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'Doctors who gave evidence during the various court battles said Alfie’s brain was badly damaged and his undiagnosed neurological, degenerative disease had progressed.

They said they did not believe there was any chance of recovery.

Alfie’s father Tom says his brain could recover if the destructive process slows down.'


Here's Alfies Dad - 21 - so knocked the mum, 20, up when he was ~18 and she was ~17.

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Just bennie scum, about to lose their meal ticket.

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3 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Here's Alfies Dad - 21 - so knocked the mum, 20, up when he was ~18 and she was ~17.

Why is that a bad thing? It was normal until fairly recently for late teens to start a family.

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It all seems a bit mad to me, but if he's now Italian and they want to fly him to Rome just let them do it (so long as the Italians pay).

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7 minutes ago, Panther said:

Why is that a bad thing? It was normal until fairly recently for late teens to start a family.

Nope.

People used to have kids in their mid 20s.

Having kids under 21 was always rare.

Its also not recommended as the death rate for babies with mums under 21 is high.

 

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Sorry, but that is ridiculous. I know plenty of people who's weddings I went to as a child who are now only ten years older than me, married then a child a year later. And need I point out that 'mums under 21' includes everyone from puberty to 20.

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How old are you?

Your teen mothers stats reflect teenage single-motherhood not late teenage motherhood

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4 minutes ago, Panther said:

I can remember longer back, I don't need statistics

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-average-age-first-time-6845033

'Between the mid-1940s and mid-1970s, the average age of mother decreased by just less than 3 years (29.3 years in 1944 to 26.4 years in 1973 to 1975).

Since 1975 the average age of mother has generally increased. The overall rise since 1975 reflects the increasing numbers of women who have been delaying childbearing to later ages.'

 

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As far as I know, teen mothers have always been pretty rare, unless they had an older husband who could support them. In the days when men served apprenticeships from 14 to 21, most of them could not marry below that age and an illegitimate child would be likely given up for adoption. Even in Jane Austen's time it was remarkable that one of her characters (can't remember which) got married at sixteen. 

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5 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

As far as I know, teen mothers have always been pretty rare, unless they had an older husband who could support them. In the days when men served apprenticeships from 14 to 21, most of them could not marry below that age and an illegitimate child would be likely given up for adoption. Even in Jane Austen's time it was remarkable that one of her characters (can't remember which) got married at sixteen. 

A 21 year old man will typically be marrying someone younger, and Jane Austen is not evidence for anything but the rarified society she describes.

Up into the 70s it was leave school at 15 and straight into a job, plenty of time for engagement and marriage before 20

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I suspect that when parents want to continue to keep their child alive in circumstances like this there has to be a weighing up under NICE.
If some cancer drugs are too dear to use, then at what point does life support for a degenerative illness become too expensive?
How much has it cost? It's crap to say but some financial element has to come into play because it does for every other aspect of medical treatment. 
What do the guidelines say? Are the decisions financially motivated? How many staff are required?

If they want to take him to Italy they should let him. But at their cost. Not the NHS's. 



 

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14 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

I suspect that when parents want to continue to keep their child alive in circumstances like this there has to be a weighing up under NICE.
If some cancer drugs are too dear to use, then at what point does life support for a degenerative illness become too expensive?
How much has it cost? It's crap to say but some financial element has to come into play because it does for every other aspect of medical treatment. 
What do the guidelines say? Are the decisions financially motivated? How many staff are required?

If they want to take him to Italy they should let him. But at their cost. Not the NHS's. 



 

No.

There's nothing for this poor little kid. No potion, no drug, no proton ray. Nothing.

He appears to have a rare mitochondrial condition - not a disease. He cells/DNA have stopped working and his brain and organs are failing/running out of power.

The legal system is stepping in as the parents do not agree with the parents on what to do. Parents say keep him alive Drs say let him die painlessly as possible.

The courts have, rightly, determined the parents are not acting in the child best interest.

His parents esp. the Dad appear to be cunts.

 

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1 hour ago, Panther said:

A 21 year old man will typically be marrying someone younger, and Jane Austen is not evidence for anything but the rarified society she describes.

Up into the 70s it was leave school at 15 and straight into a job, plenty of time for engagement and marriage before 20

Myself and Mrs. Eight were twenty one and eighteen. Only child didn't arrive for another eleven years - possibly as a result of our tenth wedding anniversary, although I can't be sure.

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34 minutes ago, eight said:

Myself and Mrs. Eight were twenty one and eighteen. Only child didn't arrive for another eleven years - possibly as a result of our tenth wedding anniversary, although I can't be sure.

That or the hen weekend she went on 4 months later. :o

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27 minutes ago, spygirl said:

FB repost.

This is Alfie ... Alfie has been getting stronger everyday...

Total BS.

That’s ok then, he clearly doesn’t need the life support he has been hooked up to.  Or the specialists that have been treating him. 

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'High Court judge Mr Justice Hayden will sit in Manchester this afternoon after it was revealed the two-year-old has been breathing unaided since his life support was withdrawn at 9pm last night. Alfie's barrister will ask the judge to lift the court order stopping him leaving Alder Hey Hospital in Liverpool (pictured today) so he can travel to the Pope 's hospital in Rome for care because he is still breathing without a ventilator. Christian Legal Centre, the pro-life organisation behind Alfie's legal team, say an air ambulance is 'on hand' if needed and the Italian government have offered up a private jet. His mother Kate James has posted harrowing images of the two-year-old surviving in her arms (main picture and top right). Doctors have been left 'gobsmacked' after Alfie's life-support was withdrawn but he continued to live, his father Tom (inset today) has said. '

 

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5 minutes ago, spygirl said:

'High Court judge Mr Justice Hayden will sit in Manchester this afternoon after it was revealed the two-year-old has been breathing unaided since his life support was withdrawn at 9pm last night. Alfie's barrister will ask the judge to lift the court order stopping him leaving Alder Hey Hospital in Liverpool (pictured today) so he can travel to the Pope 's hospital in Rome for care because he is still breathing without a ventilator. Christian Legal Centre, the pro-life organisation behind Alfie's legal team, say an air ambulance is 'on hand' if needed and the Italian government have offered up a private jet. His mother Kate James has posted harrowing images of the two-year-old surviving in her arms (main picture and top right). Doctors have been left 'gobsmacked' after Alfie's life-support was withdrawn but he continued to live, his father Tom (inset today) has said. '

 

Presuming the source has any pretension to journalistic integrity, wouldn't it be better to get the doctor's opinion from the doctors?

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