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dgul

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So I see that the MoT is now 'harder'.  I think I'm sort-of broadly in favour, nut there are loads of new gotchas -- a biggie is that if there are signs of a diesel DPF being tampered with then it is an immediate fail.  But 'disconnect the DPF' has been the standard work-around for 'having a DPF in an older car for years'. 

What's the bet that 2nd hand car prices (and, indirectly, new car sales) show an amazing bump for the next quarter...?

 

 

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21 minutes ago, MrPin said:

cars and motorcycles are not selling too well.

Encouraging people to buy forwards 36 months results in lower sales 36 months later.

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8 minutes ago, dgul said:

Encouraging people to buy forwards 36 months results in lower sales 36 months later.

It's still a lot of cars. If I don't get an MOT easily I might think of a newer one. Current one is 25 years old, and some bits don't work.

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Car passed today at 21yrs.  Talking with the MoT guy it appears that there's little to stop it keeping on passing (rust willing), whereas anything post 2000 has lots of stuff that'll be knackered at 20 years and absolutely definitely will need to be replaced* at a cost > value of car.

[*eg, airbags, which, apparently, have a 30% failure rate at the 20 year point (we're now at the +20 years from mandatory airbags in the UK)]

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12 hours ago, dgul said:

Oh, and Mar18 sales (as an example) are greater than sales for March '02-'08.  Lower than last year, sure, but that was the anomaly.

DRAFT_March-registrations-2002-to-2018.p

 

I’d like to see true population figures (ie more than the official figures)  plotted on that graphic as well. My guess is that there are less new cars per head but more new cars overall. A simple reflection of the way the country is going.

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11 hours ago, dgul said:

Car passed today at 21yrs.  Talking with the MoT guy it appears that there's little to stop it keeping on passing (rust willing), whereas anything post 2000 has lots of stuff that'll be knackered at 20 years and absolutely definitely will need to be replaced* at a cost > value of car.

[*eg, airbags, which, apparently, have a 30% failure rate at the 20 year point (we're now at the +20 years from mandatory airbags in the UK)]

Well yeah, but if a car lasts twenty years that's great.  Most people view them as bangers when they reach ten years or 100 miles.

The older cars I see on the roads (bar the exceptional cherished or out and out banger) are in the 02 / 03 range so that's your typical usable age for a car in regular use rather than just pootling around town: up to 16 or 17 years.

At that age it's not just mechanical failure that's the problem, it's sourcing the parts that have failed which is apparently harder for older Japanese cars.  I know a garage had so much problem getting a replacement wiper motor for an 18 year old Suzuki that they suggested the owner might consider changing it.

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Well yeah, but if a car lasts twenty years that's great.  Most people view them as bangers when they reach ten years or 100 miles.

The older cars I see on the roads (bar the exceptional cherished or out and out banger) are in the 02 / 03 range so that's your typical usable age for a car in regular use rather than just pootling around town: up to 16 or 17 years.

At that age it's not just mechanical failure that's the problem, it's sourcing the parts that have failed which is apparently harder for older Japanese cars.  I know a garage had so much problem getting a replacement wiper motor for an 18 year old Suzuki that they suggested the owner might consider changing it.

Very true. We are relying on breakers yards to keep our jeep on the road. Have already been told that if the rear light cluster gets damaged then the car is a write off as there are none left meeting uk standards.

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8 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

Very true. We are relying on breakers yards to keep our jeep on the road. Have already been told that if the rear light cluster gets damaged then the car is a write off as there are none left meeting uk standards.

Yes, I would love to keep my current car (nine years old, 150k) running forever but parts availability will kill it in the end unless I am prepared to spend my weekends haunting breakers yards and autojumbles.

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32 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Yes, I would love to keep my current car (nine years old, 150k) running forever but parts availability will kill it in the end unless I am prepared to spend my weekends haunting breakers yards and autojumbles.

me dad simply bought another peugeot 504 that had failed its mot and we dismantled it then labled all the bits then cut the shell up and put everything in the pit in the garage,we are talking about a man who didnt like wasting money and loved tinkering with cars

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12 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Yes, I would love to keep my current car (nine years old, 150k) running forever but parts availability will kill it in the end unless I am prepared to spend my weekends haunting breakers yards and autojumbles.

No need. All the good ones are online now.

You don't have to get down and dirty with the giant with the four alsations any more.

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1 minute ago, stokiescum said:

me dad simply bought another peugeot 504 that had failed its mot and we dismantled it then labled all the bits then cut the body up and put everything in the pit in the garage,we are talking about a man who didnt like wasting money and loved tinkering with cars

I've considered the same with old Escorts (my favourite modernish car); buy three old ones and cannibalise the worst two onto the third.

Though I don't think my neighbours would be as keen!

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Just now, Frank Hovis said:

I've considered the same with old Escorts (my favourite modernish car); buy three old ones and cannibalise the worst two onto the third.

Though I don't think my neighbours would be as keen!

Ahh. Pikey.

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13 hours ago, dgul said:

Car passed today at 21yrs.  Talking with the MoT guy it appears that there's little to stop it keeping on passing (rust willing), whereas anything post 2000 has lots of stuff that'll be knackered at 20 years and absolutely definitely will need to be replaced* at a cost > value of car.

[*eg, airbags, which, apparently, have a 30% failure rate at the 20 year point (we're now at the +20 years from mandatory airbags in the UK)]

Interesting - I know someone with a 20 year old Suzuki which, apart from replacing something that wore out in the transmission, has not had any problems, there is no corrosion and it shows no signs of giving up. 

Could it be the the apex of car longevity was reached in the mid to late 90s? By then the corrosion problems of past had largely been solved (these were usually the reason for cars dying after about 7 years in the old days) but the sensitive technology of the 2000s had not yet been developed. 

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57 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Interesting - I know someone with a 20 year old Suzuki which, apart from replacing something that wore out in the transmission, has not had any problems, there is no corrosion and it shows no signs of giving up. 

Could it be the the apex of car longevity was reached in the mid to late 90s? By then the corrosion problems of past had largely been solved (these were usually the reason for cars dying after about 7 years in the old days) but the sensitive technology of the 2000s had not yet been developed. 

Roads were better maintained then too. Our Suzuki is in danger of shaking itself to bits long before it reaches any age.

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2 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

Yes, I would love to keep my current car (nine years old, 150k) running forever but parts availability will kill it in the end unless I am prepared to spend my weekends haunting breakers yards and autojumbles.

I thought you had a diesel MkII Focus?

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2 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

I've considered the same with old Escorts (my favourite modernish car); buy three old ones and cannibalise the worst two onto the third.

Though I don't think my neighbours would be as keen!

You need a couple of large dogs to live in the cars for the full pikey effect. I had a rusty old vw camper on my grass for a few years, my dogs used to love sleeping in it and I enjoyed the effect it had on the neighbours. 

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Ah OK. Well it's not quite as popular a car as a Focus but I still can't see parts availability being an issue for a good while yet. Mechanically it's basically a Golf so mechanical parts will be easy to source for at least 10 years yet. Secondhand light clusters and the like might eventually get hard to source.

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I’ve managed to end up with both our cars needing tax, mot and insurance renewals in the same cunting month.

im sure they were considering making mots once every 2 years a while back, or did I imagine that?

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9 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

Yes, I would love to keep my current car (nine years old, 150k) running forever but parts availability will kill it in the end unless I am prepared to spend my weekends haunting breakers yards and autojumbles.

The parts availabilty is worse with motorcycles.

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