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It seems that the latest outbreak of Ebola has reached Mbandaka -- a city of 1 million or so in DRC.  There appear to be two scenarios here:

  • A few more people get Ebola and it peters out.
  • We've got the next black swan.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/960891/ebola-deadly-virus-Africa-democratic-republic-of-congo-Mbandaka-disease-death

Recommended reading: https://archive.org/details/THEHOTZONE

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11 minutes ago, dgul said:

It seems that the latest outbreak of Ebola has reached Mbandaka -- a city of 1 million or so in DRC.  There appear to be two scenarios here:

  • A few more people get Ebola and it peters out.
  • We've got the next black swan.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/960891/ebola-deadly-virus-Africa-democratic-republic-of-congo-Mbandaka-disease-death

Recommended reading: https://archive.org/details/THEHOTZONE

 

Wonder why it has sprung up there? Far away from the West African out-break of a few years back. Can people be carriers of it but unaffected by it?

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5 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

Wonder why it has sprung up there? Far away from the West African out-break of a few years back. Can people be carriers of it but unaffected by it?

Other way around.  Congo's always had Ebola -- it was the West African outbreak that was the (relative) outlier.

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Normally what happens with Ebola is, epidemiologically, it burns 'fast and hot' and so epidemics, which typically occur in sparsely populated areas, burn themselves out. The last big epidemic was different because of a) spread by travel to b) large, dense population areas, so it was considerably harder to get on top of it, as there was always someone new to catch it. However, at the end of that epidemic, a couple of candidate vaccines were pretty much at testing stage. Unfortunately (?) they came too late to be tested as the epidmeic was already being beaten out by then.

So this could be the test of whether those vaccines are any good or not. Interesting times if you are a virologist. :ph34r:

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4 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

Wonder why it has sprung up there? Far away from the West African out-break of a few years back. Can people be carriers of it but unaffected by it?

Its a zonoses - a disease of animals that can affect humans. Every now and then , for 'reasons', it makes the cross over from the  'natural animal host' to humans.

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Uh-oh.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-three-ebola-patients-slipped-out-of-congo-hospital-as-medics-raced-to/

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Three patients infected with the Ebola virus slipped out of an isolation ward at a hospital in Democratic Republic of Congo, health officials said, as medics raced to stop the deadly disease from spreading in the busy river port of Mbandaka.

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Two patients left the hospital in Mbandaka on Monday night with the help of family members, then headed to a church, the World Health Organization’s spokesman in Congo, Eugene Kabambi, told Reuters.

 

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One of the things never worked into the calculations that 'prove' that immigration and diversity are beneficial to the UK is the impact in a pandemic scenario of a diverse society.  In the 1950-60's with a largely homogenous society, people would both speak the same language and have a higher level of inter-societal trust.  If order to, for example, stay indoors and wait for instructions, the population would largely have complied.  Infected people would largely have self reported.

With mass immigration, you now have swathes of the population who will not obey the authorities without a use of force, plus language issues.  Self reporting, especially by those with grey areas immgration status, will be minimal.

In short, mass immigration from non-homogenous groups acts as a force multiplier of negativities in times of national disaster, and thus significantly pushes up overall costs.  But this is NEVER discussed.

 

If ebola ever hit London or the West Midlands, the chances of containing it are zero....

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5 minutes ago, wherebee said:

One of the things never worked into the calculations that 'prove' that immigration and diversity are beneficial to the UK is the impact in a pandemic scenario of a diverse society.  In the 1950-60's with a largely homogenous society, people would both speak the same language and have a higher level of inter-societal trust.  If order to, for example, stay indoors and wait for instructions, the population would largely have complied.  Infected people would largely have self reported.

With mass immigration, you now have swathes of the population who will not obey the authorities without a use of force, plus language issues.  Self reporting, especially by those with grey areas immgration status, will be minimal.

In short, mass immigration from non-homogenous groups acts as a force multiplier of negativities in times of national disaster, and thus significantly pushes up overall costs.  But this is NEVER discussed.

 

If ebola ever hit London or the West Midlands, the chances of containing it are zero....

Well, that’s ok then.  The law abiding will do as they are told, stay away from others until it burns itself out whilst those that pay no heed can merrily go about infecting each other. 

Problem - solution - solved. :)

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16 minutes ago, One percent said:

Well, that’s ok then.  The law abiding will do as they are told, stay away from others until it burns itself out whilst those that pay no heed can merrily go about infecting each other. 

Problem - solution - solved. :)

Problem is that as the law abiding populations are unarmed, there is little way to prevent the infected entering those areas.

 

In the USA, it would be different with roadblocks and guns drawn.  Much better.

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Posted (edited)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/ebola-heroes-to-protest-over-migrants-being-denied-nhs-healthcare

 

Round these fuckers up and drop them in the Congo.  They can treat the locals to their hearts content using their own resources then.

 

People like this, who are leading to the destruction of European civilisation, REALLY boil my piss.

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31 minutes ago, wherebee said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/ebola-heroes-to-protest-over-migrants-being-denied-nhs-healthcare

 

Round these fuckers up and drop them in the Congo.  They can treat the locals to their hearts content using their own resources then.

 

People like this, who are leading to the destruction of European civilisation, REALLY boil my piss.

If I remember correctly one of these heroes was quite happy to transport herself back to the UK even though she knew she was infected, thus breaking the very 'rules' herself that were there to attempt to protect the British public.

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38 minutes ago, wherebee said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/ebola-heroes-to-protest-over-migrants-being-denied-nhs-healthcare

 

Round these fuckers up and drop them in the Congo.  They can treat the locals to their hearts content using their own resources then.

 

People like this, who are leading to the destruction of European civilisation, REALLY boil my piss.

Healthcare professionals know about healthcare.  There is no presumption that they'd know anything, particularly, about anything else.  They don't even know about medical ethics -- those decisions are made for them.  

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