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One percent

We are all just delusional and nostalgic.

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This sort of stuff is actually quite encouraging, as it shows that the general public actually have a pretty good idea that they've been sold down the river.

That's important because it gets you things like Brexit.

xD

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1 minute ago, SpectrumFX said:

This sort of stuff is actually quite encouraging, as it shows that the general public actually have a pretty good idea that they've been sold down the river.

That's important because it gets you things like Brexit.

xD

Or, the establishment gives up all pretence of democracy 

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10 minutes ago, One percent said:

It’s not really getting worse, you are all just delusional and nostalgic. Thinking if is getting worse when it is getting better is damaging to democracy. 

What a load of crap. Anyhow, dosbodians, pick the bones out of this

https://news.sky.com/story/warning-that-nostalgia-in-politics-is-imperilling-liberal-democracy-11389504

I am afraid that the article's conclusion is discredited as the journalist doesn't know how to use an apostrophe, however

This is encouraging

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Conservative voters are among the strongest critics of their own government on this measure - some 66% think they have not done enough to promote British values.

 

For some reason, Sophie Gaston, head of Demos's [sic] International Research  looks a stereotypically nice, but clueless girl

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Edited by Hopeful

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4 minutes ago, One percent said:

Or, the establishment gives up all pretence of democracy  plutocracy

Hope you don't mind a small but significant alteration  :D

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3 hours ago, Hopeful said:
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Conservative voters are among the strongest critics of their own government on this measure - some 66% think they have not done enough to promote British values.

  

When these organisations ask about British values it is not in any genuine way. It's effectively a blank cheque, open to interpretation to support their agenda and can be used against the indigenous population. A quick google search shows they are mainly used in schools to enforce generic PC morality.

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3 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

Unutterable crap. It is not voters' nostalgia that is "imperilling liberal democracy", it is the rapid and relentless erosion of the fundamental freedoms: speech, religion, association, assembly. The concept of rule of law is pretty much dead supplanted by thoroughly illiberal catch all laws that are applied politically and capriciously.

Fucking cheek to then blame voters when winning party manifestos promise "great repeal bills" and the like, but when elected do the diametric fucking opposite.:PissedOff:

Good post.  Agree....

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From the sky link.

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Sophie Gaston, Demos's head of international research, said: "A lot of the nostalgic language that we see in our politics is rather exclusionary in tone.

From what I can see a lot of the so called progressive language that we see in our politics is far more exclusionary in tone.  Exclusionary to the indigenous.  The recent political plea for more diversity in cycling is a typical example.  Then there's the ban on free speech and the risk of jail just for causing offence etc etc.

Forced diversity etc etc is a real risk to democracy.

Most if not all of the concerns they listed seem to be an accurate reflection of change for the worse but they just want to scoop them up and ditch them under the tag of nostalgia.

Edited by twocents

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2 minutes ago, Alonso Quijano said:

Well said @Hail the Tripod, the dissonance is everywhere.

It's like an 'Out of Dosbody' experience!

At least more and more people are becoming aware that something is not right and that they are being sold down the river.

Boomers greed and i'm alright jack mentality has sold the next generations down the river. We're still living in their world. Letting their own children fight it out with millions of gimmigrants for the scraps of whats left. This country will never be the same after what the boomers have inflicted on it.

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1 minute ago, gibbon said:

Boomers greed and i'm alright jack mentality has sold the next generations down the river. We're still living in their world. Letting their own children fight it out with millions of gimmigrants for the scraps of whats left. This country will never be the same after what the boomers have inflicted on it.

Nah, blaming different generations is classic divide and rule.  Don't fall for it.  The issue is that the establishment have made out like bandits, taking an ever larger slice of the cake.  We fight over the crumbs that fall from their table.  

Instead, look at the superyachts, the massive mansions, the ever flashier cars.  Post war when it was all more equal, those mansions were falling into disuse as no one had the money to maintain them.  They have taken back what was hard fought for by our forbears.  

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4 hours ago, Hopeful said:

I am afraid that the article's conclusion is discredited as the journalist doesn't know how to use an apostrophe, however

This is encouraging

 

For some reason, Sophie Gaston, head of Demos's [sic] International Research  looks a stereotypically nice, but clueless girl

skynews-nostalgia-sky-data_4323914.jpg?b

 

 

Shes wasted at Demos.

Sophie_Gaston_Demos.jpg

 

Posh pornstar.

'Before commencing at Demos, Sophie was based at the Centre for Cities urban economics think tank. Prior to this, she worked as a Ministerial speechwriter, media and communications adviser and researcher in Australia – focusing on economic policy, international and multicultural affairs. Sophie has also held various research and communications roles in the corporate and commercial sectors in the UK and Australia, and has provided strategic consulting to a wide range of not-for-profit and start-up organisations.

Sophie has a strong academic interest in political communication, and her Master’s thesis involved an extensive analysis of the media representation of the introduction of government tax imposts. She also completed a dissertation on the disruptive nature of televised election debates in the 2010 British General Election as a research scholar in the Department of Government at the London School of Economics.'

It sounds good but its just a load useless grant and time pissing away.

 

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3 minutes ago, One percent said:

Nah, blaming different generations is classic divide and rule.  Don't fall for it.  The issue is that the establishment have made out like bandits, taking an ever larger slice of the cake.  We fight over the crumbs that fall from their table.  

Instead, look at the superyachts, the massive mansions, the ever flashier cars.  Post war when it was all more equal, those mansions were falling into disuse as no one had the money to maintain them.  They have taken back what was hard fought for by our forbears.  

Sort of.

Down to Blair and Brown, the UK has a massive bloated unproductive mass of public sector, DLA, doleys, 3rd sector.

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1 minute ago, spygirl said:

Sort of.

Down to Blair and Brown, the UK has a massive bloated unproductive mass of public sector, DLA, doleys, 3rd sector.

don't forget the tax credits and other bennies, attracting a massive number of bennie seekers

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8 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Shes wasted at Demos.

Sophie_Gaston_Demos.jpg

 

Posh pornstar.

'Before commencing at Demos, Sophie was based at the Centre for Cities urban economics think tank. Prior to this, she worked as a Ministerial speechwriter, media and communications adviser and researcher in Australia – focusing on economic policy, international and multicultural affairs. Sophie has also held various research and communications roles in the corporate and commercial sectors in the UK and Australia, and has provided strategic consulting to a wide range of not-for-profit and start-up organisations.

Sophie has a strong academic interest in political communication, and her Master’s thesis involved an extensive analysis of the media representation of the introduction of government tax imposts. She also completed a dissertation on the disruptive nature of televised election debates in the 2010 British General Election as a research scholar in the Department of Government at the London School of Economics.'

It sounds good but its just a load useless grant and time pissing away.

 

As I implied, vacuous

While all these individuals spout tosh and nonsense based upon their zero experiences of life outside school, academia and quangos, the rest of us try to get through the mess of ill-informed policy wank they create so we can get on with ours.

Edited by Hopeful

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6 hours ago, Hopeful said:

I am afraid that the article's conclusion is discredited as the journalist doesn't know how to use an apostrophe, however

This is encouraging

 

For some reason, Sophie Gaston, head of Demos's [sic] International Research  looks a stereotypically nice, but clueless girl

skynews-nostalgia-sky-data_4323914.jpg?b

 

 

Yes, really quite encouraging. 

She calls herself Gaston, this is Gaston :

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I reckon it's plainly obvious to most non-retards that things are worse than they were, it's not just us getting older.

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I did not see much delusion or nostalgia in the responses to the survey. The fact people are worse off in financial terms than they were a decade or so ago is reflected in official statistics so it is a matter of record. Similarly Britains declining status in the world has been going on for decades and was given added impetus Blair' s disastrous foreign policy. The loss of social cohesion is also clear to anyone but the terminally myopic. Telling that the youngs views on these issues were identical to older peoples thereby rather giving the lie to the claim it is a part of a generational divide.

Edited by Virgil Caine

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I for one fully admit to being nostalgic for all sorts of pre-Blair/Brown things in the UK:-

The list would be so long it would be tedious but the main things would be :-

1. Affordable housing that ebbed and flowed but every generation eventually got a chance before Brown got the money-printer out.

2. Infrastructure capable of supporting the population in moderate comfort. 

3. No Islamic terrorism.

4. No stupid laws that crush freedom of speech.

5. A mainstream media that at least made some effort to be balanced, if not always achieving this, and avoided cheerleading particular agendas.

6. Benefits system that did not draw the whole nation into a feckless game of who-can-work-the-least-while-getting-the-most.

7. Because of No. 6, fewer pikeys/Romanis/Albanians/scumskis  (accepting fully that the initial wave of EE immigration weren't scumskis)

8. The now-dead idea that even the elite couldn't do or say absolutely everything they wanted (Remember Jonathan Aitken?)

9. Immigration at a sensible level that enabled new arrivals to be integrated to at least some degree.

10. The absence of a feeling that British civilisation is being deliberately undermined.

Yawn, bored now, could probably write 100 of these. Thanks for one thing though, Tony and Gordon, there would always have been a temptation to want to return to the UK if you hadn't wrecked it, as things are I don't have to dither with this, it will only be if I'm forced.

 

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Assuming the poll was done well, we now know that people think many things were better in the past ... and that's about it.

Some part of that view comes from how society has actually changed, and some part (or even more than all of it, since psychology might overwhelm facts) from psychological effects. It's not even clear in which direction the psychology would operate: for sure, nostalgia would mean that someone will over-estimate the deterioration; but equally, a baseline belief in progress could make you play down how good the past really was. 

In this article, Demos doesn't claim to deduce anything about how society has actually changed from this survey. In fact they make no definite claims at all. If they did, they would be idiots. To say anything sensible, at the very least we would need to see how the results of identical surveys of this kind have changed over the years.

All I see here is a pointless survey carrying no useful information, and a dumb blonde using it as a platform to make wild and unsupported speculations.

Edited by BurntBread
Fat fingers

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