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Reck B

Advice on getting brother 'sectioned'

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I may have mentioned it before, but i have an older brother who has been a heroin addict for quite some time. (20+years)

He has very recently narrowly avoided 3 years in prison for various offenses which have been funding his addiction. The judge has put him on a 2 year drug rehab order, weekly drug tests, regular probation etc etc.

Problem is, he's seriously mentally unwell and am a bit afraid for his own safety. I've spoken to a crisis team in his local town, but they seem unable/willing to help him out while he is still using. He was diagnosed with Bipolar and taking lithium/anti-depressants  (for a few months as far as I know)which seem to have made him more mentally unstable.

 

Parents don't really want to know as he's fucked them over for years and years. I'm pretty much the only one who is willing to help him out any more. he's burned all his bridges unfortunately.

Anyone got any experience with getting people sectioned? I know it's not that easy, but not sure where to go from here...

 

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Is he willing to be helped by you? If so, start with his GP and try for a referral to a specialist mental health unit.

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Just now, NTB said:

Is he willing to be helped by you? If so, start with his GP and try for a referral to a specialist mental health unit.

Yes, for once he seems to be asking for help which is certainly a step forward.

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1 minute ago, Reck B said:

Yes, for once he seems to be asking for help which is certainly a step forward.

Then his GP is the logical place to start afaik.

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Sorry to hear about this. As far as I am aware somebody can only be sectioned if he is a danger to himself or others, which nowadays tends to mean seriously mad and violent. It's a good sign that he wants to be helped though. If he has to go for drug tests and probation it might be a start to go along with him and speak to the officials in those places about what further help he can get. 

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 right you can start the ball rollin.

httpshealthadvice/problemsanddisorders/beingsectionedengland.aspx://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/

 

Edited by stokiescum

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1 minute ago, JackieO said:

Is he generally an anxious person?

I wouldn't say anxious, no. He's always been a bit of a 'loveable rogue' to a lot of people. But now he's got no-one. He's never really been able to think about the consequences of actions before it's too late.

I'm almost certain he'd have been diagnosed with adhd if he was a child now. Hyper sensitive too, which I guess why he's felt the need to self medicate with heroin.

He's had a spell in a private clinic courtesy of my dad last year (£10k) went out to celebrate the day he came out, got pissed, had a row with his partner and scored some smack. He almost died last year following a blood infection too.

3 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsanddisorders/beingsectionedengland.aspx                               you can start the ball rolling .

thanks - i'll have a look into this.

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4 minutes ago, Reck B said:

He's had a spell in a private clinic courtesy of my dad last year (£10k) went out to celebrate the day he came out, got pissed, had a row with his partner and scored some smack.

I'm sighing at this- what an earth were the clinic doing to earn their 10 grand then? As a recovering addict myself (alcohol in my case) I've learned that physically withdrawing from substances is unpleasant but not particularly difficult. Altering one's mindset to not want to use, and not to put oneself in situations where you will be tempted to is the (very) difficult part. Going out to "celebrate" was only ever likely to end one way.

I could not have managed it without seeing a trained counsellor. Fortunately for me a caring friend paid for my first few sessions. After those I was happy to keep on paying my own way as I found it so valuable. I had previously tried to get help on the NHS and found their outsourced provider utterly useless, though others have had better luck than me- it seems to be a postcode lottery.

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"I'm almost certain he'd have been diagnosed with adhd if he was a child now. Hyper sensitive too, which I guess why he's felt the need to self medicate."

Ah ok

There is much anecdotal evidence that CBD can help with ADHD.

Additionally clinically there is a link between people with ADHD self medicating with various intoxicants.

I would get your brother CBD oil and start him on that. Then get him on LDN for the opiate addiction.

LDN is an opiate anatognist ie it blocks the action of opiate making taking the opiate useless, eventually the brain rewires as it's getting no reward from using.

You can get the LDN online abroad. If it works well for him an LDN implant can be done which would block the action of opiates for up to a year.

In short the CBD helps with the symptoms of the underlying cause, the LDN makes the self medicating useless and allows the brain time to rewire and recover.

Hope that's of some help  :)

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Rave said:

I'm sighing at this- what an earth were the clinic doing to earn their 10 grand then?

Absolutely! Shocking daylight robbery. But then I guess nothing works unless you really want to change. Hopefully he is now in that position.

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2 hours ago, Reck B said:

Yes, for once he seems to be asking for help which is certainly a step forward.

 

The first step would be you going along with him to visit the GP and explain that he now claims to want help. You could possibly get your brother to sign a form at the GP's saying that the GP can share medical information with you about your brother.

I feel for you. It is very hard but well done you for wanting to help.

I think it is important that you focus on your own mental and physical health. Often in situations like this the person doing the caring and the worrying can end up, in time, with much worse health than the person they are trying to help. You will be no good for your brother if you end up in the knacker's yard.

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I know someone who was neither violent nor dangerous who was sectioned by his pub landlord; late nineties.

So not even a family member.  Though it was the correct decision as the eccentric we all knew was tipping over into madness.

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I thought you could admit yourself to a psychiatric hospital. Different to being sectioned. Like others have said the best start is his GP.

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2 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

The first step would be you going along with him to visit the GP and explain that he now claims to want help.

I was around 16 when I went to my then GP for help nearly 35 years ago with anxiety and depression.

My GP back then told me young people did not get anxious or depressed. 9_9

Mental health "professionals" were of fuck all help for the next 30 years....

SSRIs mostly with CBT working for a while

At 46 after years of crap

I was found to be an autist

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