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Funnily enough just watched that clip before coming on here.

She seemed amazing but I don't have sufficient musical ear to tell if she really is that good or whether it's the effect of hearing that voice coming out of a skinny thirteen year old.

Possibly @DTMark with his tuned hifi ears could have a listen.

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1 hour ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

This one's for @The XYY Man really. Who knows what other talent is lurking in the northern powerhouse?

Cheesy talent show but to be fair, this kid is really good, and may some day be in the "Proper Fucking Singers" thread.

 

I am astounded.

Beverley Knight meets Janis Joplin.

Lulu and Aretha get it on.

That voice is incredible.

Cheers swissy - made my night that.

Funny though that I haven't heard of her though, and reports conflict as to where she is from - some say Hartlepool, some say Peterlee.

I know some Hartepool Hadwins - and it is an uncommon name round here - who I can ask if they know her.

Either way that is a massive talent.

And @Frank Hovis there's no need for Mark and his bionic ears her mate - Helen fucking Keller would've voted "yes" for her to progress on the show...!!!

;)

 

XYY

Edited by The XYY Man

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Have just watched that again to try to hear her accent.

Although the 'Pool and Peterlee are only 6 or 7 miles apart, a local like me - who has lived in both towns and the surrounding villages for large parts of their life - can tell the difference.

This is a tricky one though, as she doesn't say much and there's a lot of noise from the crowd.

But, I will still give my opinion.

I'm am saying Peterlee, or one of the surrounding pit villages to the South East.

Possibly Blackhall Rocks - accent and local-government belongs to Peterlee, but Hartlepool postal address might have confused the newspapers.

Either way though, I don't think she's from Hartlepool.

Still an amazing singer though...!

;)

 

XYY

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On ‎13‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 18:33, Frank Hovis said:

Funnily enough just watched that clip before coming on here.

She seemed amazing but I don't have sufficient musical ear to tell if she really is that good or whether it's the effect of hearing that voice coming out of a skinny thirteen year old.

Possibly @DTMark with his tuned hifi ears could have a listen.

FWIW leaving out the hi-fi bit:

I think she's worked out exactly how to hit certain note patterns - Otis Redding, was it? and people are mistaking a very good mimicry of someone else's voice with having something distinctive and soulful of their own, and this will be / would be exposed if she gets any further in it.

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1 hour ago, DTMark said:

FWIW leaving out the hi-fi bit:

I think she's worked out exactly how to hit certain note patterns - Otis Redding, was it? and people are mistaking a very good mimicry of someone else's voice with having something distinctive and soulful of their own, and this will be / would be exposed if she gets any further in it.

You may have a point, but she's only 13, if she can do Otis Redding now, no small feat, we may see more later that is more "her".

 

This (slightly older) talent show star is the opposite of what you've just described - technically not amazing but the voice is so beautiful it makes the song sound better than with both the Cranberries singing together IMO.

 

 

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12 hours ago, DTMark said:

FWIW leaving out the hi-fi bit:

I think she's worked out exactly how to hit certain note patterns - Otis Redding, was it? and people are mistaking a very good mimicry of someone else's voice with having something distinctive and soulful of their own, and this will be / would be exposed if she gets any further in it.

Black crows  hard to handle was the song  but i think that was a cover from someone in the early 60`s  ah Otis Reading also covered it 

If you search some for some of her early videos on youtube you will see she has an incredible vocal range for someone of that age 

But i would agree there was as  a shit i wasnt expecting that aspect to her performance 

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I remember the first series of Pop Idol and it was "electric" right down to the final. And although it was hardly a new format, it had something special.

As soon as it turned into The X-Factor and became thoroughly commercialised with the show being if anything more about the judges than the competitors, and the drama became so obviously stage-managed, I felt like I was no longer watching a talent show but, rather being somewhat cheapened and exploited. Along with many of the contestants.

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On 13/06/2018 at 18:33, Frank Hovis said:

Funnily enough just watched that clip before coming on here.

She seemed amazing but I don't have sufficient musical ear to tell if she really is that good or whether it's the effect of hearing that voice coming out of a skinny thirteen year old.

Possibly @DTMark with his tuned hifi ears could have a listen.

I don't have tuned hifi ears but I am fussy about vocalists. It's not so much the quality of the voice that does it for me, although that helps a lot, it's about how they perform the song. Is it all about them, is it all about the song or is it a mix of both? Some songs require a bit of showing off to make the performance work, others don't.

I listened to her while reading other threads. If you played just the audio to somebody that likes that song and who knows nothing about the vocalist, I doubt that they'll be impressed.  

The clip of her at 11 yo is better as we can hear her voice. She's pushing it some, ie. trying too hard to impress. Good pipes don't need to be pushed. Some vocal faults that can be fixed with good coaching but it was more about her than the song.

Just in case anybody thinks I'm always a grouch, here's how good a 11 yo girl can be. Note that she makes the song more important than her.

Lena starts singing about 45 seconds in.

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11 minutes ago, jm51 said:

I don't have tuned hifi ears but I am fussy about vocalists. It's not so much the quality of the voice that does it for me, although that helps a lot, it's about how they perform the song. Is it all about them, is it all about the song or is it a mix of both? Some songs require a bit of showing off to make the performance work, others don't.

I listened to her while reading other threads. If you played just the audio to somebody that likes that song and who knows nothing about the vocalist, I doubt that they'll be impressed.  

The clip of her at 11 yo is better as we can hear her voice. She's pushing it some, ie. trying too hard to impress. Good pipes don't need to be pushed. Some vocal faults that can be fixed with good coaching but it was more about her than the song.

My thoughts, too. She sounds less like she's delivering the words and much more like she's making a series of "noises" for effect. To the extent that the words are actually hard to hear at times. "Trying too hard".

"OK, you can do that song. Great. Now, if you would, sing Silent Night for me and inject your own emotion into it."

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14 hours ago, DTMark said:

I remember the first series of Pop Idol and it was "electric" right down to the final. And although it was hardly a new format, it had something special.

As soon as it turned into The X-Factor and became thoroughly commercialised with the show being if anything more about the judges than the competitors, and the drama became so obviously stage-managed, I felt like I was no longer watching a talent show but, rather being somewhat cheapened and exploited. Along with many of the contestants.

Halfway through that Courtney Hadwin clip I did find myself thinking, she has obviously spent a lot of time in stage school. It was very clever and initially convincing how they dressed and introduced her as a bumbling yokel caught in the spotlight. The confidence transformation and practised choreography aside, a real bumbling yokel would have gone to some trouble to not dress like a bumbling yokel.

I can see why they do it, it smashes your emotional response to 11. I felt the hair rise on the back of my neck. Very clever.

 

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UPDATE: I can confirm that she's from Peterlee - same year, same school as my mate at work Fat Bob's daughter.

My analysis of her local accent was right on the button - fucking go XYY...!!! ;)

So why is she on AMERICA's Got Talent - and not the British show...?

Answer: Because Cowell knows how good that voice is - and is introducing her to a much more lucrative market in order to achieve the maximum return on his investment...?

He doesn't often back losers...

 

XYY

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On 22/06/2018 at 13:19, jm51 said:

I don't have tuned hifi ears but I am fussy about vocalists. It's not so much the quality of the voice that does it for me, although that helps a lot, it's about how they perform the song. Is it all about them, is it all about the song or is it a mix of both? Some songs require a bit of showing off to make the performance work, others don't.

I listened to her while reading other threads. If you played just the audio to somebody that likes that song and who knows nothing about the vocalist, I doubt that they'll be impressed.  

The clip of her at 11 yo is better as we can hear her voice. She's pushing it some, ie. trying too hard to impress. Good pipes don't need to be pushed. Some vocal faults that can be fixed with good coaching but it was more about her than the song.

Just in case anybody thinks I'm always a grouch, here's how good a 11 yo girl can be. Note that she makes the song more important than her.

Lena starts singing about 45 seconds in.

Indeed.

Singers like Lena are very thin on the ground.

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