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10 hours ago, suzieq said:

Seems that way with each passing day........

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I'm not worried about society's punishments. I'm worried about legal punishments or physical retaliation

Plus in the case of interfering in a domestic you normally end up with two people enraged at you

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Yes never interfere in a domestic no matter how bad it appears, tax credits for one and being suckered by the "damsel in distress" "white knight" thing will just make you look a fool. 

Better to stroll on by laughing like a true gent, report them to the DHSS / social services or HMRC if really necessary. 

There would have to be some serious life threatening violence involved before I would intervene, can't have some woman pleading to drop the charges with a "oh but he's really nice, he just drinks too much" guff 

Remember people in reciept of tax credits will do & say anything to maintain their take. 

Get the "16hr Breadwinner" prosecuted and the game is won! 

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12 hours ago, chronyx said:

I'm not worried about society's punishments. I'm worried about legal punishments or physical retaliation

Plus in the case of interfering in a domestic you normally end up with two people enraged at you

Was a real eye opener when I read a book called "how to be free in a unfree world" on this, one of those life changing books. Morality is used so we self police ourselves, mostly to benefit of TPTB who are completely amoral. Reminds me of that 17th century rhyme :

They hang the man and beat the woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
But let the greater villan loose
Who steals the common from off the goose

All these rich liberal humanitarians saying we need to take in more and more illiterate Syrians to our advanced economy are fine with this as they know these people will be dumped miles away from them, in poor working class areas whose schools and hospitals can barely cope as it is. How about we say to them, yeah lets them in, hell lets up it to 500k people, only they all have to be settled in your affluent areas, they have to be your next door neighbours and their kids have to go to school with your kids. Lets see how humanitarian and moral they are then.

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Western Civilisation jacked it in before I was born as far as I'm concerned as, having fought to conquer and occupy most of the world, the European countries meekly surrendered their Empires without even a fight over thirty years.

It was pathetic, and Britain was the worst because the Empire was the greatest.

Some sort of moral sickness seemed to invade western Europe after WWII and it is only just beginning to be shaken off by some countries.

Sweden has succumbed to a fatal dose of the stuff.

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Yes Frank, my feeling as someone 60s born was that the older generations were giving up to a 'why bother' fatalism. Why, I have no idea. All I knew was a vague feeling that something important had been lost

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Just now, The XYY Man said:

Only if one of them "sisters" owns a fully-functional cock...

 

XYY

I believe I had seen that film, inadvertantly by scumming the internet for filth! There was some!xD

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6 hours ago, MrPin said:

I can see that Frank is in favour of the British Empire again.O.o

Yes.

No question about it. 

But if there was the proposition that we pile into a nation in chaos like Venezuela and take it there would be a collective pant-wetting amongst the liberal majority.  They are fine with our being ruled by overseas countries; but not by our ruling them.

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Just now, Frank Hovis said:

Yes.

No question about it. 

But if there was the proposition that we pile into a nation in chaos like Venezuela and take it there would be a collective pant-wetting amongst the liberal majority.  They are fine with our being ruled by overseas countries; but not by our ruling them.

Would you wear a pith helmet, and disturbingly baggy shorts?

We "The British" left out mark in India. I asked an Indian colleague what he thought about British Rule. Although he can't remember it, his grandfather fought against it. Still we left them with a lot of paperwork. He didn't hate the Brits at all!

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Would you wear a pith helmet, and disturbingly baggy shorts?

We "The British" left out mark in India. I asked an Indian colleague what he thought about British Rule. Although he can't remember it, his grandfather fought against it. Still we left them with a lot of paperwork. He didn't hate the Brits at all!

My Malaysian colleague loves us Brits.

His plugs fit in our sockets...

 

XYY

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8 hours ago, Panther said:

Yes Frank, my feeling as someone 60s born was that the older generations were giving up to a 'why bother' fatalism. Why, I have no idea. All I knew was a vague feeling that something important had been lost

I am older than you and watched this happen all around me.  There was a sense of betrayal.  The working man had fought two wars and came to realize that he had fought two wars for rich men.  He was no better off than if the other side had won.  It was especially bad after the first world war and England almost had a revolution if truth be told.  After the second one the ordinary working stiff had had enough and didn't give a rat's ass anymore.  It was the time of the counter culture, the hippies, the beetles and ban the bomb.  Add to that the housing crisis where honest decent young folk could not afford to buy their parent's house and quite frankly why should they love the country that kicked them under the bus.  It is easy to see a hatred of your own country developing from a sense of betrayal. I remember reading the book "Call the midwife" and was thoroughly shocked to realize it was written about times in the 50s.  I honestly thought it was Victorian England.  People were living in abject poverty and filth and had been since forever and this is the country that went to war.  If the money spent on those two wars, especially the first one, had been spent on improving the lives of everyone instead of making a few rich, England would have been a paradise and the working man finally figured it out.  It became "Look after yourself and to hell with the country 'cos your country won't look after you."  Short term gain all around.      

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11 minutes ago, Snow bird said:

I am older than you and watched this happen all around me.  There was a sense of betrayal.  The working man had fought two wars and came to realize that he had fought two wars for rich men.  He was no better off than if the other side had won.  It was especially bad after the first world war and England almost had a revolution if truth be told.  After the second one the ordinary working stiff had had enough and didn't give a rat's ass anymore.  It was the time of the counter culture, the hippies, the beetles and ban the bomb.  Add to that the housing crisis where honest decent young folk could not afford to buy their parent's house and quite frankly why should they love the country that kicked them under the bus.  It is easy to see a hatred of your own country developing from a sense of betrayal. I remember reading the book "Call the midwife" and was thoroughly shocked to realize it was written about times in the 50s.  I honestly thought it was Victorian England.  People were living in abject poverty and filth and had been since forever and this is the country that went to war.  If the money spent on those two wars, especially the first one, had been spent on improving the lives of everyone instead of making a few rich, England would have been a paradise and the working man finally figured it out.  It became "Look after yourself and to hell with the country 'cos your country won't look after you."  Short term gain all around.      

It very well articulated snowy.  This sums it up rather well imho

 

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1 minute ago, One percent said:

It very well articulated snowy.  This sums it up rather well imho

 

Thank you.  I still feel the hurt.  Everyone thinks I left England long ago for a better life and all that, but the way I see it is that I was kicked out.  I still feel sore about it.  It was a class thing and the labor party brought in some good stuff but when they sold us out I knew it was all over. The toffs had bought 'em out.  Sold down the river and it still hurts.  Damn all their eyes!  btw couldn't understand a word of the song!   

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8 minutes ago, Snow bird said:

Thank you.  I still feel the hurt.  Everyone thinks I left England long ago for a better life and all that, but the way I see it is that I was kicked out.  I still feel sore about it.  It was a class thing and the labor party brought in some good stuff but when they sold us out I knew it was all over. The toffs had bought 'em out.  Sold down the river and it still hurts.  Damn all their eyes!  btw couldn't understand a word of the song!   

xD

here you go for the words.

http://www.alistairhulett.com/songbook/dontsignupforwar.pdf

his style is an aqired taste but he was a revolutionary socialist and so some good songs. He sings in a strong Glasgie accent. The song is about how the establishment sold out the working class in wwi and how a few stood up th them, John McLean being one. 

Where do you live now snowy? Sounds like you moved overseas 

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