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Frank Hovis

Goodbye landlines

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It's funny how quickly some things change.  Even ten years' ago somebody who had a mobile number but no landline was viewed as a bit suspect.  Now I haven't got one except to carry broadband at home, no phone connected, and at work I only give out my works' mobile with my £300 desk phone unconnected and gathering dust behind my computer.

I pushed the case for having mobiles only at my last company, though not at this one as it's not my budget, and I think it's inevitable.

What you could probably do with as a work accessory is a mobile phone cradle into which you put your mobile and it has a separate handset like a normla deks phone; rather like a docking station for laptops.  They probably already exist.

 

 

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Accountancy giant PwC is doing away with landlines at office desks, with all staff expected to only use mobiles by the end of the summer.

The company, which has 24 offices in the UK employing about 18,000 staff, said the switch to mobiles would be "more efficient".

A few landlines will remain for security to use, and in rooms used for client meetings and at reception.

Meeting rooms will use new conferencing technology that can connect to mobiles.

"We already equip all of our people with a mobile phone, and many had already moved away from using their landlines," a spokesman for PwC said.

"With landline usage falling rapidly, we believe that a more mobile-focused policy is a more efficient way of working."


 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44654802

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Good luck with that.

Ive been in plenty of buildings where you canot get a mobile signal.

A large number of large offices are built like faraday cages.

 

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2 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Good luck with that.

Ive been in plenty of buildings where you canot get a mobile signal.

A large number of large offices are built like faraday cages.

 

Never had a problem.

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12 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Good luck with that.

Ive been in plenty of buildings where you canot get a mobile signal.

A large number of large offices are built like faraday cages.

 

that's our problem, have an O2 booster box system, and a Vodafone solution inside the building, signal still sucks in some areas.

but at home, I'd consider a cradle like device.  We unplugged the landline a while a go, and often don't hear the mobile when it's left charging in another room.

Edited by snagger

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4 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

IIRC Princess Diana launched a huge campaign against landlines. Blame her.

and I think Harry will get the new Princess of Hearts to continue the crusade

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6 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

IIRC Princess Diana launched a huge campaign against landlines. Blame her.

i was thinking this when i read the thread title, yet again id misread it (deliberately some might say).

Edited by leonardratso

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I use IP phones for work purposes.  A single number goes to a landline (ip phone with ethernet socket), mobile (via mobile magic) and computer (via software).  This is actually more useful than 'just mobile' -- I can have people the 'general phone line' just by logging in when it is their turn, rather than handing around 'the general phone line' mobile phone.

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3 minutes ago, dgul said:

I use IP phones for work purposes.  A single number goes to a landline (ip phone with ethernet socket), mobile (via mobile magic) and computer (via software).  This is actually more useful than 'just mobile' -- I can have people the 'general phone line' just by logging in when it is their turn, rather than handing around 'the general phone line' mobile phone.

No, you've lost me there.  Have a rep as it sounds cool.

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5 minutes ago, dgul said:

I use IP phones for work purposes.  A single number goes to a landline (ip phone with ethernet socket), mobile (via mobile magic) and computer (via software).  This is actually more useful than 'just mobile' -- I can have people the 'general phone line' just by logging in when it is their turn, rather than handing around 'the general phone line' mobile phone.

We utilise IP phones as well. App on mobiles, computer software, desk phone for people that want it plugged into an ethernet port. Can access anywhere in the world, transfer/pull/park calls to other devices. Cheap as chips too compared to ISDN.

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The phone lines around here are crap, I've been fighting with them for the last 18 years. I remember being told that even when the local exchange had broadband we wouldn't be able to use it due to the age and condition of the lines.

It works, just, but with constant packet loss and line dropping, reporting it to BT just results in a £130 charge to fight. I'm on the edge of moving to 4G, an external antenna will get a signal here and a desk phone with a dock replacement would be ideal. Copper lines are dead anyway as exchanges will be moving to voip over fibre shortly.

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13 minutes ago, snagger said:

that's our problem, have an O2 booster box system, and a Vodafone solution inside the building, signal still sucks in some areas.

but at home, I'd consider a cradle like device.  We unplugged the landline a while a go, and often don't hear the mobile when it's left charging in another room.

After much excitement b ythe mobile companies on improving their network by using customers leccy + broadband, they swiftly went off boosters/nanocells as they are a security issue.

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7 minutes ago, dgul said:

I use IP phones for work purposes.  A single number goes to a landline (ip phone with ethernet socket), mobile (via mobile magic) and computer (via software).  This is actually more useful than 'just mobile' -- I can have people the 'general phone line' just by logging in when it is their turn, rather than handing around 'the general phone line' mobile phone.

thought this was fairly standard in work now, I know we have it, have had for a couple of years now at least.

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Just now, Libspero said:

Are international calls really that cheap from mobile now,  or are people using some kind of voip?

I think most must be using VOIP now. You know when someone is using because of the latency

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We are a big enough company that we used to have a complete internal phone system connecting our offices but they have now done away with that and blokes came round to take all the extension handsets off our desks. 

Now we have to use Skype aka Lync which can be problem sometimes but generally I prefer it. The useful thing for me is the Skype app works on any mobile not just official issue ones. As a kid watching star trek I never thought it would one day be totally normal to be on a conference call at work using a Lt. Uhura style earpiece. 

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2 minutes ago, Kilham said:

The phone lines around here are crap, I've been fighting with them for the last 18 years. I remember being told that even when the local exchange had broadband we wouldn't be able to use it due to the age and condition of the lines.

It works, just, but with constant packet loss and line dropping, reporting it to BT just results in a £130 charge to fight. I'm on the edge of moving to 4G, an external antenna will get a signal here and a desk phone with a dock replacement would be ideal. Copper lines are dead anyway as exchanges will be moving to voip over fibre shortly.

you should go round and shoot up the local exchange, you know blast some of those ISDN machines and packet switches, ram the street boxes with your car on the way there.

BT wont do anything though, they dont care about your problems, theyve got shareholders and executives to pay and pension holes to ignore.

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I had a VOIP system installed into our new office which uses a GSM gateway which has 16 mobile sims installed - the system recognises when we dial an 07 number and routes the calls through the GSM aka using up free minutes on the SIMS

Plus the sims are BT ONE and hugely configurable.

 

I have no idea what it all means really & just wanted to show off

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2 minutes ago, Admiral Pepe said:

I think most must be using VOIP now. You know when someone is using because of the latency

I was an earlyish adopter of voip at home about ten years ago because family yakked on phone none stop and I couldn't manage the BT bills. Using Sipgate instead I cut my monthly bill by 90% at one go and it had the advantage of looking and feeling exactly like a real landline. 

Only problem was that home bandwidth wasn't so good back then. My gasbag ex-wife used to get all upset when into the second hour of her natter with some friend the call would go all crackly because the kids had started some torrents. 

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3 minutes ago, Admiral Pepe said:

I think most must be using VOIP now. You know when someone is using because of the latency

Not really noticeable.

I love my VOIP system. I used to have a big box, 10 lines 20 extensions and an absolute pain in the ass to change anything. And it cost a bloody fortune.

Now I have 10 incoming lines, each displaying the particular business the customer called, have music on hold, answerphone forwarded to email, ability to switch the whole thing to any mobile, and can change everything with a couple of taps on the web. There is very little it can't do for £5 / line / month.

My favourite feature is that if I go away, I can take the phone with me and wherever I plug it in, it works. So I can sit in my Mother's place in Florida and as far as the world is concerned, I am still in the UK. My assistant and I can talk to each other as easily as dialling the next office extension number.

VOIP really did change the way offices work, and probably put an awful lot of telephone providers out of business.

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We upgraded from ADSL to 3G back in the day for faster speeds. Then we got 4G. We can get "fibre to the cabinet" but as the cabinet is a whopping 812 metres from the house, connected by 1.2km of clapped out old bell wire, that's far enough for the speed to degrade to the point where 4G walks all over it. So the landline here has now lain unused for 11 years.

People are fed up with paying "line rental" for a phone line they don't use. Ideally, there wouldn't be any line rental, just the price for the broadband.

But because of the way this is all set up and that all landlines outside Hull and cabled areas are owned by BT yet you are probably buying the broadband from someone else, actually, if you just paid for the broadband, the price of that would increase by roughly the cost of the line rental. The chunk of the cash that you pay, or that the ISP pays, to rent that ancient bit of bell wire to your house, pays for its.. upkeep and maintenance.

Which is what grates so much with people because the phone lines were put in by "us" as in The State so very long ago and are wholly inadequate for conveying data signals. That isn't what they were meant for. You don't need a very bandwidth capable circuit to make phone calls, but you do, increasingly so, to use the internet.

The physical lines have been treated as a cash cow by BT for decades who would dearly love us to go back to the halcyon days of every house wanting and needing at least one phone line and no competition from Virgin Media. That broadband thing is so annoying. How dare people demand more.

The way it works is that the network becomes a laughing stock (ADSL2+ up to 20 Meg, average download 6 Meg, average upload 1 Meg) and holds the country back, and then the government gives it our money - most recently over a billion pounds to roll out "VDSL" or "fibre to the cabinet". BT continue to assert that while we have this thing called competition and other providers can supply over their circuits, there just ain't enough money for us (which to be fair has truth to it) so we're going to do bugger all about it. The State pays.

That's worked pretty well for BT (the rollout of ADSL, the rollout of VDSL) until the most recent shambolic project where BT ran rings around the government and local authorities and the government knows this. The primary objective of the project - to get everyone up to a minimum speed - was abandoned after they managed to persuade that moron Ed Vaizey that it ought to be - it was by far the most expensive aspect. We still paid, however. The government had no idea how to deal with a predatory, backward, monopolistic private company.

The government is now largely interested in fibre to the premises and as technology currently stands, that's the only solution that will work - not just in the short term, but right now. Amazingly, a number of private consortiums are springing up, overbuilding the State's project with BT in cities on which the "paint is barely dry" with true fibre. The government now wants to support them.

Finally, some true competition outside cabled areas. Unfortunately for BT and for us, if we all ditch BT and buy those and BT suffers (on top of their own disastrous comedic backward decisions), we have to remember that we're all on the hook for their pensions and have been since it was privatised.

BT, the regulators, and the last Labour government were to broadband as a verruca is to a swimming pool.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, spygirl said:

After much excitement b ythe mobile companies on improving their network by using customers leccy + broadband, they swiftly went off boosters/nanocells as they are a security issue.

Our work booster box system is a little more developed than your average home booster system. We did have a very good 2G signal in the building as Vodafone installed a picocell inside the building. VF turned it off one day without telling us, apparently they were switching off their entire remaining 2G network :( 

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No landlines to speak of here in Cambodia.

Everyone just uses 4G+ and large office’s FTTH/FTTO for large data.

BTS sites use FTTBTS/FTTPICO to lay off the 4G+ traffic.

Its simple when you don’t have legacy infrastructure to get in the way.

Edited by Bkkandrew
Typo

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