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OK, once in a while I fall for a car and all rationality leaves my head.

A 2008 4.2L Quattroporte with ZF transmission.

Family size (which I don't need) and drinks petrol like a fish (which is utterly stupid) , probably insane servicing costs (Maserati-Ferrari engine, go figure) and I dread to think what the insurance is.

But it's in great condition and a silly price for such a luxury car.  It hasn't got much depreciation left to do.

But a little voice reminds me it is an Italian car.

So... to pull me back down to earth, do they rust dreadfully like every other Italian car?

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2 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

OK, once in a while I fall for a car and all rationality leaves my head.

A 2008 4.2L Quattroporte with ZF transmission.

Family size (which I don't need) and drinks petrol like a fish (which is utterly stupid) , probably insane servicing costs (Maserati-Ferrari engine, go figure) and I dread to think what the insurance is.

But it's in great condition and a silly price for such a luxury car.  It hasn't got much depreciation left to do.

But a little voice reminds me it is an Italian car.

So... to pull me back down to earth, do they rust dreadfully like every other Italian car?

My 1988 Alfa spider had very little rust when I sold it last year. And no, it wasn't always garaged.

Edited by Cunning Plan

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I had a '51 plate Alfa 156 for seven years.  I'd have another Alfa in a heartbeat..(it did depreciate 90% mind)...Previously driven by Jan Molby (apparently)..

Edited by Dave Beans

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Just now, Dave Beans said:

I had a '51 plate Alfa 156 for seven years.  I'd have another Alfa in a heartbeat..(it did depreciate 90% mind)...

You won't be able to. Once we Brexit, the Italians won't want to sell us their cars anymore.

😀😀😀😁

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4 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

You won't be able to. Once we Brexit, the Italians won't want to sell us their cars anymore.

 😀😀😀😁

We could create some sort of DOSBODS ferry, especially for wannabe Alfa owners, and smuggle them back..

Edited by Dave Beans

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15 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

OK, once in a while I fall for a car and all rationality leaves my head.

A 2008 4.2L Quattroporte with ZF transmission.

Family size (which I don't need) and drinks petrol like a fish (which is utterly stupid) , probably insane servicing costs (Maserati-Ferrari engine, go figure) and I dread to think what the insurance is.

But it's in great condition and a silly price for such a luxury car.  It hasn't got much depreciation left to do.

But a little voice reminds me it is an Italian car.

So... to pull me back down to earth, do they rust dreadfully like every other Italian car?

Something, something, red key, something.

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Having the ZF gearbox as you're possibly aware is the main thing as the previous automated manual it had, that was also fitted to Ferraris is the big issue as it used to have major problems not least destroying itself it you reversed up a slope.

The big issue with Maserati is they tend to have all the expensive quirks and running costs of their Ferrari stablemates without the performance or cachet.

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3 minutes ago, SNACR said:

Having the ZF gearbox as you're possibly aware is the main thing as the previous automated manual it had, that was also fitted to Ferraris is the big issue as it used to have major problems not least destroying itself it you reversed up a slope.

The big issue with Maserati is they tend to have all the expensive quirks and running costs of their Ferrari stablemates without the performance or cachet.

This I presume is the one with the silly floppy little gear select lever and the steering wheel paddles that get in the way of the other controls. The gear change on them is apparently very rough. I've not driven either yet.

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19 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

This I presume is the one with the silly floppy little gear select lever and the steering wheel paddles that get in the way of the other controls. The gear change on them is apparently very rough. I've not driven either yet.

I think so it had some particular name the original gearbox and it wasn't a normal torque converter auto box it was effectively a regular manual box with the gears changed automatically - I would suspect that it would actually be a crash-box too, with no syncro, and the changes are timed in theory to be at perfect revs, as most gearboxes of that design tended to. Absolutely do not get the earlier box and go for the later ZF auto I'm sure that you will find a big step change in used prices between them as the problems with the original box were well know and similarly afflicted Ferrari.

If you fancy looking at another prestige performance four door I have seen used Aston Rapides at incredibly low prices even with franchised dealers and they aren't quite the same dire reliability proposition the original handbuilt Astons were.

Edit to add:

Here you are a car that was over £150,000 to buy new, that's done only 10,000 miles, for only £55,000 asking is a stonking bargain

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aston-Martin-Rapide-V12-Touchtronic-Auto-4dr-ONLY-10000-MILES-B-0-STEREO/263724468093?hash=item3d6734077d:g:zHwAAOSw-pVZluzC

s-l1600.jpg

 

Edited by SNACR

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31 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

OK, once in a while I fall for a car and all rationality leaves my head.

A 2008 4.2L Quattroporte with ZF transmission.

Family size (which I don't need) and drinks petrol like a fish (which is utterly stupid) , probably insane servicing costs (Maserati-Ferrari engine, go figure) and I dread to think what the insurance is.

But it's in great condition and a silly price for such a luxury car.  It hasn't got much depreciation left to do.

Pretty car. Still got some depreciation to go, £10 - £15k ish, if the car you're buying is in the £15 - £20k price range. Don't forget the dealers mark up when you look at earlier models advertised for sale. They'll probably offer you £5k less than the lowest advertised price. Man maths tends to ignore that when justifying the purchase decision.

If you like it, go for it if you can afford it.   

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10 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

Difficult.

I think I can afford the car, not sure that I can afford to drive it.

FSH but no mention of keys, red or otherwise. I'll contact the dealer about this.

Ive had similar Maserati wobbles.Never driven one but spent some time ogling them on ebay.

They do seem to be the car that triggers the £12k for that??? Impulse. And then the eye watering bits kick in and you go back to looking at Mazda 6 Estates. 

There is a good Wheeler Dealers on a 3200 or 4200 forget which. Throttle bodies are a thing i took from that. Some boffin in his shed retrofits new bits to existing housings. 

SNACR will be able to fill you in on the red key business im sure. I just remember reading it was kind of important in some of the car descriptions.

Though that little git Brewer never mentioned it in the WD i watched.

 

EDIT

I always thought the draw of a Maserati was in the 3 door versions. Id buy a Jag instead of this if 5 doors was the thing.

Which you've said it isn't. 

Edited by shindigger

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15 minutes ago, shindigger said:

I always thought the draw of a Maserati was in the 3 door versions. Id buy a Jag instead of this if 5 doors was the thing.

Which you've said it isn't. 

I think it's because subliminally I hope to be a granddad within a few years.

The interiors of Quattroportes are a touch gin palace but I love them.

I need DOSBODers to knock some sense into me before I piss away a fortune in running costs.

But I want one last decent car before I spend my dotage using Uber/bathchair/fucking Google egg clown car.

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14 minutes ago, Happy Renting said:

I think it's because subliminally I hope to be a granddad within a few years.

The interiors of Quattroportes are a touch gin palace but I love them.

I need DOSBODers to knock some sense into me before I piss away a fortune in running costs.

But I want one last decent car before I spend my dotage using Uber/bathchair/fucking Google egg clown car.

Unless it's something widely accepted to come with reliable, trouble free ownership and reasonable servicing costs - which I'm sure you're aware all Maseratis are very much not and in many ways a market leading example of exactly how not to be that - then I think the calculation is how much financial or mental pain it will cause you to lose the difference between what the one you want is on for sale at minus what you'd get selling it to a marque specialist breaker or listing on an ebay auction spares or repairs when you finally throw in the towel as the engine or gearbox is borked. Throw in on top a string of low four figure repair bills for fairly minor-ish items you persevered with as it seemed to make sense to keep the car going considering how much you paid for it.

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3 hours ago, SNACR said:

I think so it had some particular name the original gearbox and it wasn't a normal torque converter auto box it was effectively a regular manual box with the gears changed automatically - I would suspect that it would actually be a crash-box too, with no syncro, and the changes are timed in theory to be at perfect revs, as most gearboxes of that design tended to. Absolutely do not get the earlier box and go for the later ZF auto I'm sure that you will find a big step change in used prices between them as the problems with the original box were well know and similarly afflicted Ferrari.

If you fancy looking at another prestige performance four door I have seen used Aston Rapides at incredibly low prices even with franchised dealers and they aren't quite the same dire reliability proposition the original handbuilt Astons were.

Edit to add:

Here you are a car that was over £150,000 to buy new, that's done only 10,000 miles, for only £55,000 asking is a stonking bargain

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aston-Martin-Rapide-V12-Touchtronic-Auto-4dr-ONLY-10000-MILES-B-0-STEREO/263724468093?hash=item3d6734077d:g:zHwAAOSw-pVZluzC

s-l1600.jpg

 

Nice, and way beyond my budget.

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3 hours ago, Happy Renting said:

I think it's because subliminally I hope to be a granddad within a few years.

The interiors of Quattroportes are a touch gin palace but I love them.

I need DOSBODers to knock some sense into me before I piss away a fortune in running costs.

But I want one last decent car before I spend my dotage using Uber/bathchair/fucking Google egg clown car.

Tempting aren't they? I've had a few Italian cars (I'd love the older 3200 but they look wallet-raping, so am waiting for Maserati Granturismos to come down in price further). This generation of Masers is much better built than the previous. I'd say, if you can find a good independent specialist within reasonable distance, go for it. Check out the Maserati forums http://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php and this story and comments is worth reading:

https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-spottedykywt/maserati-quattroporte-spotted/37523

 

Edited by The Idiocrat

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For all the potential downsides and risk you do get to open the throttle on a naturally aspirated Ferrari engined vehicle for less than £15k.

You'll certainly find some Japanese boy racer shite with a massive turbo stuck on it, or something, that'll beat in on a couple of Top Trumps' metrics but it will not remotely compare to what the Maserati feels and sounds like when you plant your foot in the carpet and it won't have the interior of the mum's shopper spec model with some aluminium pedals and bit of red plastic trim stuck here and there.

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