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Breakfast club queuing - this is the 21st Century, what went wrong?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5970361/More-130-parents-chairs-flasks-tea-queue-1AM-breakfast-club-slot.html 

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More than 130 desperate parents with chairs and flasks of tea queue from 3AM in battle to bag a slot for their children at their primary school's breakfast club

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Something is wrong - we're working harder, longer hours, commuting further, and both parents are working. We are at breaking point.

Living harder. We need to live Smarter.

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The Welsh Assembly introduced breakfast clubs due to the shocking number of Welsh children having no meal before school and no meal after school - it was a move to counter the real poverty that does not exist in this Welsh Labour socialist utopia.

This was the primary reason plus giving some extra time for the parent(s) to be in some kind of work.

But things being stuff and the usual nonsense resulted in breakfast clubs being expanded to all schools. They have become cheap, subsidised child-minders for the well off.

In this particular case I believe the school is in a very well-off school area so the queuing here most likely is predominantly, if not all, not about parents being unable to afford feeding their kids but about getting cheap child-care.

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One of my children moved into the junior school this year from the adjoining infant school. She was in the breakfast club which starts at 8am. This allows me to drop her off and get to work on time. I think the fee is something like a couple of quid a day.

I applied for a place in the junior school breakfast club and was told that unfortunately the spaces were only given to pupils who received the pupil premium which is effectively free school meals. Fortunately the infant school allowed her to stay on for an extra year  as my son was also a paying member of the breakfast club. Going forward unfortunately the infant school will not be allowing this to happen and the junior school has no plans for introducing a club which allows people to pay.

Most mornings I see a number of people turning up in their dressing gowns, standing at the school gate as the children are fired at the school whilst well dressed people rush past them trying to get their children into the school foyer.

A rather sad example of the law of unintended consequences. On the bright side, at least I don't have to get my deckchair out at 5am to beat the queue.

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11 minutes ago, Shaneyson said:

One of my children moved into the junior school this year from the adjoining infant school. She was in the breakfast club which starts at 8am. This allows me to drop her off and get to work on time. I think the fee is something like a couple of quid a day.

I applied for a place in the junior school breakfast club and was told that unfortunately the spaces were only given to pupils who received the pupil premium which is effectively free school meals. Fortunately the infant school allowed her to stay on for an extra year  as my son was also a paying member of the breakfast club. Going forward unfortunately the infant school will not be allowing this to happen and the junior school has no plans for introducing a club which allows people to pay.

Most mornings I see a number of people turning up in their dressing gowns, standing at the school gate as the children are fired at the school whilst well dressed people rush past them trying to get their children into the school foyer.

A rather sad example of the law of unintended consequences. On the bright side, at least I don't have to get my deckchair out at 5am to beat the queue.

I think you need to earn less than about £8k per year to get the pupil premium. So a couple of days a week at most. And yet these are the people that get breakfast club rights?

We do seem to have things back to front on this.

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1 minute ago, Cunning Plan said:

I think you need to earn less than about £8k per year to get the pupil premium. So a couple of days a week at most. And yet these are the people that get breakfast club rights?

We do seem to have things back to front on this.

Don’t blame the people, blame policy makers. Remember work is good for everyone and it will be forced on people regardless of cost to taxpayers.

Even many of those who are unable or can’t get a secure job have to make a token effort......and the productive tax payer has to foot the bill.

It’s all wrong and back to front.

The basic problem IMO is that there aren’t enough decent paying jobs for everyone. I agree with your post above....working full time should allow a single person to pay basic living expenses and enough to provide for a rainy day plus retirement along with a few life pleasures. Unfortunately as a society we are not organised that way. 

 

5 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Other posters have answered my opinion.

Congratulations. You’re right again. Well done!

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As with the rest of life it is never as straightforward as saying pupil premium kids parents are dossers, whilst people wearing suits are the driving force of the economy. My daughter is good friends with a couple of the children who are in the junior breakfast club and their parents are very decent people who have had some difficult circumstances.

The teaching assistant who actually explained to me the reason why my daughter couldn't get a place was rather apologetic as my jaw hit the floor. I remember when she told me, it was  around 8am and I think she recognised that my brain was having trouble in reconciling the absurdist nature of exactly what she was telling me.

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9 hours ago, Shaneyson said:

As with the rest of life it is never as straightforward as saying pupil premium kids parents are dossers, whilst people wearing suits are the driving force of the economy. My daughter is good friends with a couple of the children who are in the junior breakfast club and their parents are very decent people who have had some difficult circumstances.

The teaching assistant who actually explained to me the reason why my daughter couldn't get a place was rather apologetic as my jaw hit the floor. I remember when she told me, it was  around 8am and I think she recognised that my brain was having trouble in reconciling the absurdist nature of exactly what she was telling me.

The core of the issue is that this type of lunacy and tax credits will see a huge snap back against the welfare state.

If tax credits had been done like thye shold kagv e - see USA - theyd have been a good thing - 40h/w work requirement, 5k/year top up, mandatory work requriement - no issue.

As it is, a parent with 2 kids on tax credits is in the top 30% of UK disposable incomes.

Whatever problem these people have its not income.

We are now on the second wave of tax credit fall outs.

The fiorst wave was a rise i nthe number of live Downs births. These had been falling since the pill was invented.

Now you are seeing the fister care system being flooded with teenage kids. This will be followed by a large number of teenage homelessness - as Sahrdeen kicks kids out as theres no benefits after 18.

Next wave is a massive number of unemployable 45+ parents. Thee will be cropping up in BnB.

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10 minutes ago, spygirl said:

The core of the issue is that this type of lunacy and tax credits will see a huge snap back against the welfare state.

If tax credits had been done like thye shold kagv e - see USA - theyd have been a good thing - 40h/w work requirement, 5k/year top up, mandatory work requriement - no issue.

As it is, a parent with 2 kids on tax credits is in the top 30% of UK disposable incomes.

Whatever problem these people have its not income.

We are now on the second wave of tax credit fall outs.

The fiorst wave was a rise i nthe number of live Downs births. These had been falling since the pill was invented.

Now you are seeing the fister care system being flooded with teenage kids. This will be followed by a large number of teenage homelessness - as Sahrdeen kicks kids out as theres no benefits after 18.

Next wave is a massive number of unemployable 45+ parents. Thee will be cropping up in BnB.

I’m beginning to move to the position that this is deliberate. They could not roll back the idiocy of brown and so are go8ng full pelt to break the system. 

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Yeah, it'll all kick off like the poll tax riots where they really didn't like the name so they forced the TPTB to change it to council tax- that was their aim, wasn't it?

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4 minutes ago, One percent said:

I’m beginning to move to the position that this is deliberate. They could not roll back the idiocy of brown and so are go8ng full pelt to break the system. 

They could have done it, it was a dereliction of duty on Cameron and Gidiot’s part because they were too weak to want to be seen as ‘nasty’, he wanted to be call-me-Dave instead and the opportunity was missed. Mind you, the banks may have also said “no no little Davey you’re not going to have a deep depression and spoil our fun just yet.”

When the banks effectively rule, governments can’t do their job. Someone needs to defy the puppet masters, as Putin did after he first came to power. 

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2 minutes ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

They could have done it, it was a dereliction of duty on Cameron and Gidiot’s part because they were too weak to want to be seen as ‘nasty’, he wanted to be call-me-Dave instead and the opportunity was missed. Mind you, the banks may have also said “no no little Davey you’re not going to have a deep depression and spoil our fun just yet.”

When the banks effectively rule, governments can’t do their job. Someone needs to defy the puppet masters, as Putin did after he first came to power. 

Agree but we are now even further in the mire. The only way out is to crash and burn imho 

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IMO, it should either be breakfast club for all or for none. This is another one of those ever increasing divisive issues we are accepting in society like mobility cars, blue badge spaces, free school dinners, free music lessons for the feckless, free school trips for the poor, food banks, free sanitary towels. The list continues to grow and these things create resentment and discontent. The reset can’t come soon enough. 

 

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Being self employed is very handy for this sort of thing. We both are so it works quite well for picking up/dropping off. I have no idea how we'd do it working a regular 9-5,  I don't think it'd be possible to be honest.

 Number of sprogs and their age makes a huge difference. One kid is relatively simple to organise your life around. Having two, one in nursery and the other in school can logistically be an absolute fucking nightmare.

 

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1 minute ago, Sgt Hartman said:

Being self employed is very handy for this sort of thing. We both are so it works quite well for picking up/dropping off. I have no idea how we'd do it working a regular 9-5,  I don't think it'd be possible to be honest.

 Number of sprogs and their age makes a huge difference. One kid is relatively simple to organise your life around. Having two, one in nursery and the other in school can logistically be an absolute fucking nightmare.

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it doesn't really change until they can drive themselves.

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Primary school says it will name and shame parents on Facebook if they have not paid for their child's meals

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5971925/Primary-school-shame-parents-havent-paid-childs-meals.html

"A primary school threatened to 'name and shame' parents who have not paid for their child's meals in a Facebook post. 

In the post, which uses the 'feeling hopeful' emoji, Springhead Primary School says there are 60 people 'in debt' for meals despite sending numerous reminders to parents and carers.

It threatened to withdraw meals in September for children whose parents do not settle their accounts in full by Friday morning."

 

 

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12 hours ago, Van Lady said:

Personally I estimate that a lot of the people queuing are working and just need someone to look after their kids so they can get to work on time.

How sad. What a way to run a country hoping to produce content, balanced and productive people. Truly dismal!

The school my son's children go to introduced a breakfast club. They used it as it enabled my son to drop off his son on the way to work on two of the days when his wife was unable to walk him to school. It fitted round their work schedules. The school now charge for the breakfast club, £8 per session FFS. 

Nice earner for them, the premises are free, some teachers will probably get their early enough anyway to supervise the children. Even if they have to pay one or two teachers or teaching assistants for an hour or so each that wont be much. The children get a bowl of cereals each, what does that cost, pennies each even with the milk. A drink as well. There are about 20 - 30 children a session. do the maths.

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1 minute ago, sleepwello'nights said:

The school my son's children go to introduced a breakfast club. They used is as it enabled my son to drop off his son on the way to work on two of the days when his wife was unable to walk him to school. It fitted round their work schedules. The school now charge for the breakfast club, £8 per session FFS. 

Nice earner for them, the premises are free, some teachers will probably get their early enough anyway to supervise the children. Even if they have to pay one or two teachers or teaching assistants for an hour or so each that wont be much. The children get a bowl of cereals each, what does that cost, pennies each even with the milk. A drink as well. There are about 20 - 30 children a session. do the maths.

Its TAs.

Teachers would never show up for this.

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11 hours ago, Van Lady said:

Don’t blame the people, blame policy makers. Remember work is good for everyone and it will be forced on people regardless of cost to taxpayers.

 

Those who do work have to pay ever increasing taxes. Something is very wrong. The example that was published in a national newspaper and posted on a thread on here shows the nonsense for what it is. The article compared the income and expenditure of qualified professional, a lawyer I think, with a salary of about £100k with the income and expenditure of her child minder. As I recall the child minder had a higher disposable income than the lawyer. Totally insane.

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