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Game_of_Homes

New populist party - do you think the UK is ready for one?

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So, "populism" the term used to describe parties that are right-wing as opposed to "democracy" has been popping up a lot recently with the elections in Italy and the rise of populists in France, Germany and Sweden.

The UK seems to have been pretty immune from this phenomena for now. But I get the feeling that the mood of the UK has shifted somewhat to the right (especially in certain areas) in recent months and I am wondering if we will see a new "populist" party (that is definitely not UKIP) pop up to represent those that are ok with things like gay rights, abortion etc but want reduced immigration and are worried about the curtailment of freedom of expression, so a party that understands the complexities of a very distinct Anglo-Saxon/Protestant influenced, British mindset that generally is very fair and balanced and supportive of all people but doesn't like piss takers and those that take advantage of British good-will (I guess you could call them Libertarians). Is such a party on the horizon? Not sure any Farage-Bannon combination would be attractive to young people who lean to the right as they come across as a bit parochial in many aspects. What do you think?

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To get a decent populist party going (not from any rule book, but from what I've seen) you need somebody of major standing outside of politics to decide to go into it full time.  So Berlusconi, Beppe (? Five Star movement Italy) and now Donald Trump.  You need a "face" of the party.

Now that could be anybody but they'd have to want to do it.

I'd certainly vote for a party lead by David Starkey for instance; for many things - his intelligence, honesty, and willingness to say the truth even though he knwos it will damage his career to do - but mainly for this:

 

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The time is definetely now. What good it will do is another question. Even if a party managed to get the seats required in our first past the post system, you think anything would change? 'Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely'

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Over the last 50 years or so the EU and its supporters have pushed the idea that all countries in Europe are basically the same, whereas in reality we come from very diverse political backgrounds. The populist parties in eastern Europe are influenced by their history of soviet domination; those in Austria, Italy, the Netherlands and southern Germany are probably influenced by their conservative Christian past; in France there is the Front National but that has quite strong links to national socialism.

The UK has no real similarities to any of these. The UK is more influenced by soft liberal socialism such as that in the Scandinavian countries. We do not have the strong libertarian, small-state values of the USA. Cultural marxism is so deeply embedded in the UK that it is hard to see how any populist party could get a foothold.

The only possibility I think is if the Conservatives move more to the right, or if Labour rebrands itself closer to its old, anti-EU, nationalist trade union protectionist roots; neither is very likely.  

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1 hour ago, spunko2010 said:

Farage has enough cachet to set up a new party with Aaron Banks funding it, as he has alluded to many times but pussied out. Whoever puts their head above the parapet and decides to do it will need to put up with their family being chased out of restaurants, journalists looking through their windows, credible death threats, police harassment, state sponsored surveillance, and a lifetime of vitriol and visceral hatred from the Trots and their media chums.

Think Farage would not appeal to younger voters though. I would like to see someone younger, with common sense who doesn't come across as extreme.

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2 hours ago, Game_of_Homes said:

So, "populism" the term used to describe parties that are right-wing as opposed to "democracy" has been popping up a lot recently with the elections in Italy and the rise of populists in France, Germany and Sweden.

The UK seems to have been pretty immune from this phenomena for now. But I get the feeling that the mood of the UK has shifted somewhat to the right (especially in certain areas) in recent months and I am wondering if we will see a new "populist" party (that is definitely not UKIP) pop up to represent those that are ok with things like gay rights, abortion etc but want reduced immigration and are worried about the curtailment of freedom of expression, so a party that understands the complexities of a very distinct Anglo-Saxon/Protestant influenced, British mindset that generally is very fair and balanced and supportive of all people but doesn't like piss takers and those that take advantage of British good-will (I guess you could call them Libertarians). Is such a party on the horizon? Not sure any Farage-Bannon combination would be attractive to young people who lean to the right as they come across as a bit parochial in many aspects. What do you think?

Can us Catholics join?  We are pretty good at crusades :ph34r:

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13 minutes ago, Game_of_Homes said:

Think Farage would not appeal to younger voters though. I would like to see someone younger, with common sense who doesn't come across as extreme.

PJW? He's young, good looking, articulate (and presumably clever enough) so could appeal to some of the younger voters, but lacks any experience of office and gravitas. (And probably won't want to!)

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4 minutes ago, whocares said:

PJW? He's young, good looking, articulate (and presumably clever enough) so could appeal to some of the younger voters, but lacks any experience of office and gravitas. (And probably won't want to!)

Maybe Milo?  He's close to being in politics now and is a great public speaker.

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1 hour ago, Admiral Pepe said:

The time is definetely now. What good it will do is another question. Even if a party managed to get the seats required in our first past the post system, you think anything would change? 'Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely'

Yep, the people bribing the current fuckers would just deliver their brown paper envelopes to the new lot.

the best defence anyone has is always to vote but never vote for the incumbent unless they have shown themselves to be unequivocally on the side of the common people.

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5 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Maybe Milo?  He's close to being in politics now and is a great public speaker.

But he is now tainted by that business a couple of years ago, silly fucker. When they are gunning for you, best avoid painting a high viz target on your forehead like he did.

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2 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

To get a decent populist party going (not from any rule book, but from what I've seen) you need somebody of major standing outside of politics to decide to go into it full time.  So Berlusconi, Beppe (? Five Star movement Italy) and now Donald Trump.  You need a "face" of the party.

Now that could be anybody but they'd have to want to do it.

I'd certainly vote for a party lead by David Starkey for instance; for many things - his intelligence, honesty, and willingness to say the truth even though he knwos it will damage his career to do - but mainly for this:

 

 

I don't know enough about Laurie Penny, although I'm sure I'd side more with Starkey than Penny's arguments

But :-)

Starkey is salaried. If Penny is a freelance I'd say it was justifiable for her to charge a fee. As an independent academic I'm up against University academics all the time who will 'work for free', and it pisses me off, because of course they don't work for free, they just work for an organisation that is apparently happy to 'sub' other organisations and, in doing so, it creates an environment where knowledge is seen as either cheap or valueless.

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Why on earth would we need a new populist party? We have already had the For Britain party spin-off from UKIP to split the vote. Gerard Batten has shown himself to be competent and uncucked. Nigel would be an excellent number 2 for him if he was wiling to play that role. Count Dankula, PJW, Milo and Sargon of Swindon would all prove very attractive to younger voters and help to move the image of the party away from the blue rinse brigade. UKIP could become a very credible party very quickly indeed. I have even considered joining myself.

I was hoping that For Britain would abolish itself now that UKIP has credible leadership.

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5 minutes ago, Stunley Andwin said:

Why on earth would we need a new populist party? We have already had the For Britain party spin-off from UKIP to split the vote. Gerard Batten has shown himself to be competent and uncucked. Nigel would be an excellent number 2 for him if he was wiling to play that role. Count Dankula, PJW, Milo and Sargon of Swindon would all prove very attractive to younger voters and help to move the image of the party away from the blue rinse brigade. UKIP could become a very credible party very quickly indeed. I have even considered joining myself.

I was hoping that For Britain would abolish itself now that UKIP has credible leadership.

Yes.  I like Anne Marie Waters but she needs to start being a bit accommodating of viewpoints that whilst not 100% identical to her own are 90% there.

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12 minutes ago, goldbug9999 said:

Katie Hopkins ?

I like her but she's far too divisive. She has a family and would need heavy body-guarding at all times. (So think she'd be mad to consider it tho she's brave enough.)

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Farage is HATED by many of the young brits I know, following years of propaganda in the media and especially in the youth social media.

 

Someone like Milo would be a good eye opener, but I think he will self destruct under pressure.  Gerald Battern shows that there are clever, principled, well spoken hidden gems out there.  Ideally, we'd get a 'youth' icon who flipped off script and became a leader.....

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35 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Yes.  I like Anne Marie Waters but she needs to start being a bit accommodating of viewpoints that whilst not 100% identical to her own are 90% there.

Frank, you have got the nail on the head. The refusal of AMW to unite with UKIP and present an AfD style platform for the UK may well endanger any final chance the UK has as a nation to recover from this mess.

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Yes (in answer to the thread question) and there is some considerable momentum building for that recently because of the blatantly unjust treatment of Tommy Robinson which is even visible right around the world.  The balance seems to be rapidly shifting now with May's double dealing the electorate on Brexit which is clear to most everyone. 

Now there's C orbyn and May very publicly constructively converting to the religion of peace and people like Alex Cunningham ditching and smearing groups like gays (which includes male and female voters and I dare say many feminist voters) and going all sharia. 

They're all out in the open now. 

Not to mention the general increase in violent crime and the ban on free speech etc along with the banning of people from Britain who had perfectly reasonable opinions whether you agreed with them or not - and the established parties have the cheek to call other parties right wing.  Then there's the underlying crises of housing, mass immigration, job insecurity and corporate fraud - it's a long list.

If ever there was an open goal opportunity for a new party to gain significant ground in British politics then it's right now and as it's reasonably established having got over the establishment's smearing hurdles that other parties have stumbled over then I think that UKIP is that party. 

The leader doesn't have to be that young provided he or she can connect with young and old alike and in fact it's probably best to be not too young as leader (Batten seems effective and I'm sure the party would gain from the involvement of Farage but he might be best in his media role).  Look at the LibDem's decline with youngish Clegg.  It would be helpful if prominent younger people were actively prepared to show support for it and even take a leading role as it rebuilds and especially during a general election. 

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It can't be anyone who sounds too plummy as they will be ripped apart by the media. Someone young with a streetwise, common sense attitude who can represent western values in a clear, concise way. This is how far identity politics has gone when common sense is seen as being extreme.

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