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spygirl

This Divorce thing

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-44949856

'Mrs Owens' solicitor said she was "devastated" by the decision and "cannot move forward with her life". '

Yes she could. Leave, get a job, pay for stuff.

Or does she mean cannot move forward without liquidating half the the assets?

' Mrs Owens said she had been contemplating a divorce since 2012, but did not leave the matrimonial home until February 2015. '

Just got to wait 3 more years then.

Rules is rules.

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I don't think we are being told enough in the reporting.

Perhaps, at 68, she feels she has a chance for one last fling and adventure with someone else other than the man of 80 that she has been married to for 40 years?

Or perhaps there is some financial stuff - i.e. property, pension and monies that she wants a chunk of now.

Or half a dozen different reasons.

I didn't think that you could be turned down for a divorce in this day and age - I thought you could get a no-fault divorce within as few years but apparently not.

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6 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

I don't think we are being told enough in the reporting.

Perhaps, at 68, she feels she has a chance for one last fling and adventure with someone else other than the man of 80 that she has been married to for 40 years?

Or perhaps there is some financial stuff - i.e. property, pension and monies that she wants a chunk of now.

Or half a dozen different reasons.

I didn't think that you could be turned down for a divorce in this day and age - I thought you could get a no-fault divorce within as few years but apparently not.

She could just hire a male escort and shag like baboons on the family home driveway. I'm no legal expert but surely that would be grounds for divorce as one party would have committed adultery.

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21 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

I don't think we are being told enough in the reporting.

Perhaps, at 68, she feels she has a chance for one last fling and adventure with someone else other than the man of 80 that she has been married to for 40 years?

Or perhaps there is some financial stuff - i.e. property, pension and monies that she wants a chunk of now.

Or half a dozen different reasons.

I didn't think that you could be turned down for a divorce in this day and age - I thought you could get a no-fault divorce within as few years but apparently not.

A no-fault divorce is possible only if both parties agree to it. If one party does not wish to get divorced, then fault must be proven (usually adultery). If it is not a court can rule there are no grounds for divorce and the couple have to live separately for five years before it can be granted. 

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26 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Perhaps, at 68, she feels she has a chance for one last fling and adventure with someone else other than the man of 80 that she has been married to for 40 years?

She's free to do that.

She just wants her hands on the money which she cannot get until divorced.

It's a standard 5 year wait in no blame divorce if either party does not want to divorce.

She's playing the poor woman card.

Edited by JackieO

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22 minutes ago, JackieO said:

She's free to do that.

She just wants her hands on the money which she cannot get until divorced.

It's a standard 5 year wait in no blame divorce if either party does not want to divorce.

She's playing the poor woman card.

Yes I wondered that. In the space of five years, the husband could give away, spend or hide most of his wealth, or at 83 is quite likely to be dead before then and has probably cut her out of the will. The wife also now can't get herself another rich husband in the meantime either, so will probably have to live on her pension (not sure what happens with legally separated couples, whether he has to pay her any kind of maintenance).

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Why on earth doesn't she just invent some far flung story and claim "Unreasonable behaviour" ?

"He asked me why I open the windows in winter despite claiming to be cold and promptly shut them all".

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19 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Yes I wondered that. In the space of five years, the husband could give away, spend or hide most of his wealth, or at 83 is quite likely to be dead before then and has probably cut her out of the will. The wife also now can't get herself another rich husband in the meantime either, so will probably have to live on her pension (not sure what happens with legally separated couples, whether he has to pay her any kind of maintenance).

 

The Daily Mail has a photo of their two houses that they live in next door to one another. Wow!

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1 minute ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

The Daily Mail has a photo of their two houses that they live in next door to one another. Wow!

I think they must have posted it in the Female section because most of the comments support her.

Anyway, surprising that it isn't held in a trust, most farms are nowadays, to prevent this kind of thing happening. The fact she lives next door in a separate (large) house and yet claims she isn't independent is laughable. Unless she's been chained to a bed, she's had decades to sort her working life out.

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4 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

Why on earth doesn't she just invent some far flung story and claim "Unreasonable behaviour" ?

"He asked me why I open the windows in winter despite claiming to be cold and promptly shut them all".

She would have to prove it or he would have to agree with it, he doesn't so the burden is on her. If you both agree to divorce then the courts will accept pretty much anything. 

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Yes I wondered that. In the space of five years, the husband could give away, spend or hide most of his wealth, or at 83 is quite likely to be dead before then and has probably cut her out of the will. The wife also now can't get herself another rich husband in the meantime either, so will probably have to live on her pension (not sure what happens with legally separated couples, whether he has to pay her any kind of maintenance).

Courts really don't like setting up maintenance these days, it's to be avoided at all cost. 

But it's one big game, as a bloke you tend to get shafted so you do all you can to get yourself out alive and capable of starting again, i.e. you cut a deal, never that good but far better than you would ever get if you wanted to really fight it.

In this case it seems he holds all the cards, he doesn't want a divorce and so no need to cut a deal.  

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4 minutes ago, gilf said:

She would have to prove it or he would have to agree with it, he doesn't so the burden is on her. If you both agree to divorce then the courts will accept pretty much anything. 

 

 

 

 

How do you prove adultery in a normal case? It can't be that the vast majority of divorce cases are accepted by both, can it? I thought there'd be more of these in the news, in this current climate where women are told they are permavictims.

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5 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

How do you prove adultery in a normal case? It can't be the case that the vast majority of divorce cases are accepted by both, can it? I thought there'd be more of these in the news, in this current climate where women are permavictims.

I did start to write about that, then didn't bother. From what I know (having done loads of research when I got divorced, more out of interest) pretty much the only way to prove adultery is if there is a child involved, i.e. you got somebody pregnant (or visa versa). Outside of that it would need the other party to admit it. It's not really the case but the generally held belief is if you admit adultery then it's not looked on well by the courts and so not in your best interests.

Edit : in terms of divorce adultery is full on intercourse, so not easy to get evidence of... even a hidden camera you could claim you just happen to be close and making a thrusting motion :)

We don't really have a no fault divorce here in the UK, but it's generally accepted if both want one then you can have one. It starts to get messy as alluded to in my other reply once the money gets involved. The general deal being the main earner accepting (if they are not the instigator of course) on the grounds of a better settlement. 

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9 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

How do you prove adultery in a normal case? It can't be that the vast majority of divorce cases are accepted by both, can it? I thought there'd be more of these in the news, in this current climate where women are told they are permavictims.

In the old days (before 1968), I believe to 'prove' adultery, photographic or eye-witness evidence had to be provided, as well as circumstantial evidence (letters etc). 

I'm not sure how it works nowadays, as non-consensual divorce must be so rare as to hardly ever happen in the UK. 

 

Edited by Austin Allegro

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25 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

Why on earth doesn't she just invent some far flung story and claim "Unreasonable behaviour" ?

"He asked me why I open the windows in winter despite claiming to be cold and promptly shut them all".

You jest but my ex-wife wrote a list of very similar level things on her divorce petition. 

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2 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

In the old days (before 1968), I believe to 'prove' adultery, photographic or eye-witness evidence had to be provided, as well as circumstantial evidence (letters etc). 

I'm not sure how it works nowadays, as non-consensual divorce must be so rare as to hardly ever happen in the UK. 

Was wondering that, can't be that common. Certainly not to this level, i.e. taking it through the courts.

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52 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

Why on earth doesn't she just invent some far flung story and claim "Unreasonable behaviour" ?

"He asked me why I open the windows in winter despite claiming to be cold and promptly shut them all".

Yes or moan about his obsessive behaviour to do with socks.

(And then have the irritating git argue the point on the papers for the judge to read that I hadn't actually described what he did with his socks correctly) (Nothing weird. Just OCD sock behaviour. )

Maybe he'll write her out of the will and she'll get nowt. He's being a bit mean unless he wants to make her suffer. 

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5 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Yes or moan about his obsessive behaviour to do with socks.

(And then have the irritating git argue the point on the papers for the judge to read that I hadn't actually described what he did with his socks correctly) (Nothing weird. Just OCD sock behaviour. )

Maybe he'll write her out of the will and she'll get nowt. He's being a bit mean unless he wants to make her suffer. 

Maybe she was expecting him to die sooner.

AS time rolled on, he stayed alive, putting kibosh on moving Juan, her latin polo teacher in?

 

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10 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Yes or moan about his obsessive behaviour to do with socks.

(And then have the irritating git argue the point on the papers for the judge to read that I hadn't actually described what he did with his socks correctly) (Nothing weird. Just OCD sock behaviour. )

Maybe he'll write her out of the will and she'll get nowt. He's being a bit mean unless he wants to make her suffer. 

It could be that at 83 he is old enough, just, to still view divorce as something shameful to be avoided at all costs, instead of his duty as a member of the inferior sex to give up on the marriage the moment his wife gets bored with it for some frivolous reason or other. 

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12 minutes ago, sarahbell said:

Yes or moan about his obsessive behaviour to do with socks.

(And then have the irritating git argue the point on the papers for the judge to read that I hadn't actually described what he did with his socks correctly) (Nothing weird. Just OCD sock behaviour. )

Maybe he'll write her out of the will and she'll get nowt. He's being a bit mean unless he wants to make her suffer. 

Looking at the houses, I wouldn't mind the suffering of living in one like it. She just wants the money.

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1 hour ago, spygirl said:

Ah farm/agri involved.

Modern life and its (public) fuckwittery does not mix well with farm tax planning.

 

Very true. The farm will no doubt be in trust and she won't be able to claim on it.

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I don't think it's in a trust, or if if it then she needs to take out legal action against her solicitor for not discovering that before going through the court system three times...

The only reason I can think of that she deserves half is because she has contributed half. The story is absent on details so I am assuming she has lived a life of Riley rather than been at the grindstone for 5+ days a week for 40 years. Then again, it doesn't mention what he does/did either, so it could all be inherited.

If she raised their (now adult) children then that carries some weight, in the eyes of the law I believe, but it was years ago, and we don't know what input he had in that regard either.

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