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DTMark

How long until Labour splits?

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It surely cannot be long now.

Corbyn, Abbott, Lammy and the brown-shirts remain as the Labour Party along with the old-school socialists. Meanwhile, everyone else leaves to form a new political party. Headed by Liz Kendall, perhaps - the credible one they turned down with the smallest share of the vote when they elected Corbyn?

This, particularly in the light of these recent developments where respected Labour MPs representing their constituents are "de-platformed" and ousted or attempts are made to do just that.. it's getting very sinister now.

Meanwhile, back in the world of Brexit, the Conservative vote will split. At the next General Election:

Conservative
UKIP
Labour
New-New-Labour

Could be interesting. Another hung-parliament?

 

 

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21 minutes ago, DTMark said:

It surely cannot be long now.

Corbyn, Abbott, Lammy and the brown-shirts remain as the Labour Party along with the old-school socialists. Meanwhile, everyone else leaves to form a new political party. Headed by Liz Kendall, perhaps - the credible one they turned down with the smallest share of the vote when they elected Corbyn?

This, particularly in the light of these recent developments where respected Labour MPs representing their constituents are "de-platformed" and ousted or attempts are made to do just that.. it's getting very sinister now.

Meanwhile, back in the world of Brexit, the Conservative vote will split. At the next General Election:

Conservative
UKIP
Labour
New-New-Labour

Could be interesting. Another hung-parliament?

 

 

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Meanwhile, back in the world of Brexit, the Conservative vote will split. At the next General Election:

Conservative
UKIP
Labour
New-New-Labour

Could be interesting. Another hung-parliament?

 

It wouldn't even have been possible to contemplate it as recently as the 2010 general election but it's quite possible now that the main parts of the Conservative and Labour parties will form a coalition under the flag of islam - as both parties have now constructively converted to that religion.  

Of course they're unlikely to be open about the real reason for their combining.

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1 minute ago, twocents said:

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It wouldn't even have been possible to contemplate as recently as the 2010 general election but it's quite possible now that the main parts of the Conservative and Labour parties will form a coalition under the flag of islam - as both parties have now constructively converted to that religion. 

Of course they're unlikely to be open about the real reason for their combining.

Yes the Blairites of the Labour party and Blairites of the Tory party which is most of them really ought to form a party. 

Then we can have another shite party that doesnt represent anyone apart from the well to do and fucken useless.

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Don't know what the split is (in terms of numbers) currently in Labour between the old Blairite and new guard or even if there are multiple divisions in reality which would not get on unless they were already under the banner of Labour, any ideas?

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re the muslim issue, judging by the pronouncements against the wishes and interests of their constituents a lot of them have been coming out with in recent times, I'm not sure many of them are that worried about being called racist in itself. My guess is that they believe the muslim block vote to be that strategically vital to gaining power that they dare not offend the muslim leaders. The battle looks to be increasingly elitist v populist and there are a lot of elitists in government and the civil service.

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5 minutes ago, Banned said:

Yes the Blairites of the Labour party and Blairites of the Tory party which is most of them really ought to form a party. 

Then we can have another shite party that doesnt represent anyone apart from the well to do and fucken useless.

We should start our own.

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22 minutes ago, Caravan Monster said:

re the muslim issue, judging by the pronouncements against the wishes and interests of their constituents a lot of them have been coming out with in recent times, I'm not sure many of them are that worried about being called racist in itself. My guess is that they believe the muslim block vote to be that strategically vital to gaining power that they dare not offend the muslim leaders. The battle looks to be increasingly elitist v populist and there are a lot of elitists in government and the civil service.

My guess is that at the very least large numbers of the leadership of both parties (not just May and C orbyn) have in secret converted in a private ceremony to ingratiate themselves with the leaders of the religion of peace for votes and with the middle east sheiks etc to ensure the continued flow of oil. 

I suggest that the battle is increasingly elitist/rop v populist with the elites having converted.

Even if they haven't actually converted they've constructively converted and are the same as adherents and followers.  It does help to explain so many strange things happening in politics in Britain today.

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If they were going to split I think they’d have done it by now. My guess is that a few will be deselected, a few more will stand down of their own accord and the rest will continue as a dimishing minority within a hard left, Islamist slanted neo-Marxist party.

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33 minutes ago, DTMark said:

It surely cannot be long now.

Corbyn, Abbott, Lammy and the brown-shirts remain as the Labour Party along with the old-school socialists. Meanwhile, everyone else leaves to form a new political party. Headed by Liz Kendall, perhaps - the credible one they turned down with the smallest share of the vote when they elected Corby

You can have 200/1 Liz Kendall to be the next PM. Corbyn 5/1.

I'd be tempted by David Milliband 100/1

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

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1 minute ago, TheBlueCat said:

If they were going to split I think they’d have done it by now. My guess is that a few will be deselected, a few more will stand down of their own accord and the rest will continue as a dimishing minority within a hard left, Islamist slanted neo-Marxist party.

Its dreadful when you put it like that as they are the only party who are likely to bring about affordable housing.

After 8 years of reinflating the bubble it is 100% certain the Tory party wont.

2 minutes ago, Democorruptcy said:

You can have 200/1 Liz Kendall to be the next PM. Corbyn 5/1.

ÔĽŅ I'd be tempted by David Milliband 100/1

ÔĽŅ https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

Gavin Williamson has to be worth a punt at 40/1.

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They won't split as they know that in hundreds of seats people vote for Labour no matter what. 

Anyone leaving will end up like the SDP's in the 80's. The Labour brand is all important and Corbyn and his cronies know they have got that for all time.

The best they can hope for is the LP being declared bankrupt so the funders are key - but the unions love Corbyn don't they.

 

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10 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

They won't split as they know that in hundreds of seats people vote for Labour no matter what. 

Anyone leaving will end up like the SDP's in the 80's. The Labour brand is all important and Corbyn and his cronies know they have got that for all time.

The best they can hope for is the LP being declared bankrupt so the funders are key - but the unions love Corbyn don't they.

 

Will they still feel the same when they realise that Labour (like the tories) is now embedded in all the principles of the religion of peace.

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5 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

They won't split as they know that in hundreds of seats people vote for Labour no matter what. 

Just to complete the mantra from an earlier thread, with @Austin Allegro's help

Me an ma famlee av alwiz been poo-wer.
Aahve alwiz voted Layyber
An me faither afore me. An his faither afore him, an sae on until the time o' Adam our first faither. Sae mun it be, world wi'out end.  

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My totally unscientific guess is that if we had a vote tomorrow, the actual vote would be:

25% Labour

25% UKIP

25% Conservative

25% Lib Dem / Green (only because they are the remain parties)

I have no idea how this would convert into actual seats but I think Labour would win in strong Roper areas. 

And unless the apportionment of seats was roughly equal, it would give a very strong argument to looking at our electoral system again.

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4 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

the unions love Corbyn don't they.

IHRA definition could be a problem for Unite and the others.

The Labour Party have a Lauren Southern scenario, in that as she describes Western democracy can only work when the majority hold Western values.

The Labour Party struggles to embrace pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups as they are now a pro-Islamic majority.

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7 minutes ago, twocents said:

Will they still feel the same when they realise that Labour (like the tories) is now embedded in all the principles of the religion of peace.

Yes, because most people have not a clue what is going on. They just know to vote Labour every 4 or 5 years.

Others read the Mirror or the Guardian and watch the So-Called BBC or Channel 4 News and simply do not have the slightest idea what is happening to this country. Worse, they believe that anyone who says otherwise is a white racist slightly worse than Hitler.

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38 minutes ago, twocents said:

My guess is that at the very least large numbers of the leadership of both parties (not just May and C orbyn) have in secret converted in a private ceremony to ingratiate themselves with the leaders of the religion of peace for votes and with the middle east sheiks etc to ensure the continued flow of oil. 

I suggest that the battle is increasingly elitist/rop v populist with the elites having converted.

Even if they haven't actually converted they've constructively converted and are the same as adherents and followers.  It does help to explain so many strange things happening in politics in Britain today.

A few years ago, I would have thought such ideas to be conspiraloon territory, today not so sure...

19 minutes ago, DTMark said:

Just to complete the mantra from an earlier thread, with @Austin Allegro's help

Me an ma famlee av alwiz been poo-wer.
Aahve alwiz voted Layyber
An me faither afore me. An his faither afore him, an sae on until the time o' Adam our first faither. Sae mun it be, world wi'out end.  

I frequent a forum with strong representation from former colliery and industrial labour heartlands and it would be fair to say a lot of the forumites didn't spend much time at school. It's only a small sample, but the swing away from labour and anger over brexit and islam is strong. For people taught at mother's knee Thatcher was the devil incarnate, there is a surprising amount of love for Jacob Rees Mogg. Some support for UKIP, but many not sure.

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6 minutes ago, Caravan Monster said:

I frequent a forum with strong representation from former colliery and industrial labour heartlands and it would be fair to say a lot of the forumites didn't spend much time at school. It's only a small sample, but the swing away from labour and anger over brexit and islam is strong. For people taught at mother's knee Thatcher was the devil incarnate, there is a surprising amount of love for Jacob Rees Mogg. Some support for UKIP, but many not sure.

I hope so, I so hope so. Our only hope as a country to be saved from the multiple treasonous madnesses that now seem to be afflicting this country seems to be for the ordinary working class indigenous population to get mad as hell and not take it anymore.

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1 hour ago, DTMark said:

It surely cannot be long now.

Corbyn, Abbott, Lammy and the brown-shirts remain as the Labour Party along with the old-school socialists. Meanwhile, everyone else leaves to form a new political party. Headed by Liz Kendall, perhaps - the credible one they turned down with the smallest share of the vote when they elected Corbyn?

This, particularly in the light of these recent developments where respected Labour MPs representing their constituents are "de-platformed" and ousted or attempts are made to do just that.. it's getting very sinister now.

Meanwhile, back in the world of Brexit, the Conservative vote will split. At the next General Election:

Conservative
UKIP
Labour
New-New-Labour

Could be interesting. Another hung-parliament?

 

 

 

Judging by the replies to the Kate Hoey and Frank Field Tweets, Labour voters fail to understand the role of a constituency MP and fail to understand democracy.

The fact thay they cannot grasp that a Labour MP should represent the majority view of the constituents, even if the majority that contribute to that majority view are Conservative voters, bodes poorly should Labour ever get hold of power. They will be a very divisive party.

I know, nothing new in what I've said. But it is a worrying thought. Fascists in everything but name.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Melchett said:

I hope so, I so hope so. Our only hope as a country to be saved from the multiple treasonous madnesses that now seem to be afflicting this country seems to be for the ordinary working class indigenous population to get mad as hell and not take it anymore.

I’m wondering if this is actually the plan. 

My thinking is that tptb are not really in control and others EU/ soros are pulling the string. The only hope they have of reiningit back in is for an uprising. Maybe, just maybe, they are trying to foment one through greater and greater outlandish policies. 

It makes as much sense as anything else  

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11 minutes ago, Caravan Monster said:

A few years ago, I would have thought such ideas to be conspiraloon territory, today not so sure...

I frequent a forum with strong representation from former colliery and industrial labour heartlands and it would be fair to say a lot of the forumites didn't spend much time at school. It's only a small sample, but the swing away from labour and anger over brexit and islam is strong. For people taught at mother's knee Thatcher was the devil incarnate, there is a surprising amount of love for Jacob Rees Mogg. Some support for UKIP, but many not sure.

I would have too but it's the only thing that adequately explains what's been going on in recent years.

Before it was a few straws in the wind but recent events seem to have reinforced and confirmed it.

 

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1 hour ago, Bedrag Justesen said:

Last time only Lib Dem / Green were REMAIN and nobody was interested.

They had shit policies and crap leaders, they still do.

Agreed. But the remainers are getting more and more scared. The thing I do believe is that any opinion poll will be absolute bollocks next time around.

 

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1 hour ago, The Masked Tulip said:

They won't split as they know that in hundreds of seats people vote for Labour no matter what. 

They may well do, but there are that many disillusioned voters with a grudge that it may not win them the seat.

Add in the fact that the two main parties have leaders with virtually zero charisma then voters intentions cannot be guaranteed anymore.

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