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Roseanne Barr vs James Gunn

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Roseanne is a high profile Trump supporter and James Gunn is a high profile critic of Trump.

On the So-Called BBC homepage today - "James Gunn: Guardians of the Galaxy cast back fired director" and the piece opens with " The Guardians of the Galaxy cast has called for James Gunn to be reinstated as director of the movie after he was sacked this month over old tweets. "

Roseanne made one tweet, James Gunn made many tweets (albeit many years ago). Some of which the So-Called BBC said were too offensive to be reprinted. The less offensive ones included:

"I like when little boys touch me in my silly place."

Another said: "The best thing about being raped is when you're done being raped and it's like, 'whew this feels great, not being raped!'"

So Roseanne its all about her being racist and a Trump supporter, for James its all about how the cast support him, how he only made the tweets in an attempt to be provactive (it was art of course).

So basically if you are conservative you have tread carefully, one slip and you are crucified, if you are liberal you can say what like and all is forgiven.

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People will always make more allowances for their mates. Or if they have skin in a particular game.

 

Unrelated to that pithy observation:

To me Gunn has contributed way more to popular culture than Barr. But his tweets are beyond the Pale to any decent person, whereas hers, AFAICR, were simply politically incorrect.

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I was just cooking some poached eggs on toast and thinking about how the MSM is doubling down now on, well, everything re BREXIT, Trump, Clinton, open borders, islam, immigration, hostility to critics of Corbyn and the Labour anti-semites, etc.

I wondered whether this is a sign of desperation or just greater delusion.

I had a whatsapp splat last night with one of my closest friends - 60's, semi-retired, very well public-sector pensioned and a reader of the Guardian. Messaged me asking me to sign some change.org petition to the EU that the Guardian had apparently printed re circus animals and animals in cages.

I said that I would share the petition here but suggested, to someone who had just come back from Greece, that signing petitions makes people feel better about themselves but perhaps stopping going on holiday to countries like Spain and other EU countries that treat animals appalingly would be practical. But then that would mean giving up the 2 weeks in sun on the Med.

Of course, I got the usual hostile BREXIT stuff back. It is all very depressing.

People do not want to think for themselves. That is too much hard work. Far easier that the likes of the MSM can tell them how to think so that they can feel smug and go sleep at night feeling superior.

 

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Btw, the Gunn thing seems to have freaked out Hollywood considerably.

There are 3 major money making franchises in Hollywood at the moment - serious money being made - around the concept of comic book heroes. I am not going to name them but there are all sorts of rumours and allegations about 3 of the major directors associated with those franchises. Rumours are just rumours of course - nothing proved.

But it is interesting watching the reaction to such allegations.

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I really don't know how to feel on this one. I'm not really a believer that you should be fired because of something you said on social media. Up until now it's been a left wing form of attack to get rid of someone they don't like. Look what happened to Toby Young when he got a job working for some Governmental department (think it was education). They found some tweets of his from 2010 saying some woman he'd met/ been with had 'nice tits' - obvious misogynist - has no place in government - he has to go. And so he quits (like a bloody idiot). Then all the shit starts coming out about Brendan Cox (in other words, the media starts reporting on his dodgy departure from Save the Children) and the left respond with 'oh poor Brendan, he's changed. He's a much better man now. Leave him alone - poor St Joe of Cox etc etc'

As the saying goes, if the left didn't have double standards they woudn't have any standards at all.

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9 minutes ago, TheNoSnowMan said:

I really don't know how to feel on this one. I'm not really a believer that you should be fired because of something you said on social media. Up until now it's been a left wing form of attack to get rid of someone they don't like. Look what happened to Toby Young when he got a job working for some Governmental department (think it was education). They found some tweets of his from 2010 saying some woman he'd met/ been with had 'nice tits' - obvious misogynist - has no place in government - he has to go. And so he quits (like a bloody idiot). Then all the shit starts coming out about Brendan Cox (in other words, the media starts reporting on his dodgy departure from Save the Children) and the left respond with 'oh poor Brendan, he's changed. He's a much better man now. Leave him alone - poor St Joe of Cox etc etc'

As the saying goes, if the left didn't have double standards they woudn't have any standards at all.

 

Unfortunately, that is going to be the way of dealing with this for, well, for years to come. It will be one rule for those loved by the MSM and another for those they dislike.

Very sinister. Very, very damaging for democracy and free speech.

Is it because there is some kind of mass hysteria or is it because lots of people in the MSM are finally showing their vile sides?

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Neither Rosanne Barr nor this fella should have been fired.

All this stuff about "not reflecting the values of organization X" is actually quite sinister...the idea is that you have to have the values and behavior standards in your private life set out by your employer? Is your employer God? Do they own you?

That's pretty dangerous. It's also an easy way for more left leaning institutions (e.g. universities) to get rid of staff because of something they tweeted 3 years previous.

Edited by JoeDavola

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1 minute ago, JoeDavola said:

Neither Rosanne Barr nor this fella should have been fired.

All this stuff about "not reflecting the values of organization X" is actually quite sinister...the idea is that you have to have the values and behavior standards in your private life set out by your employer? Is your employer God? Do they own you?

That's pretty dangerous. It's also an easy way for more left leaning institutions (e.g. universities) to get rid of staff because of something they tweeted 3 years previous.

I agree but I also see the wisdom of the red pill maxim: "Think what you like, but speak as others do."

And yes, this whole growing attitude that your employer 'owns' you is very sinister. My employer has the 8 hours of my day they pay for. If I choose to wank myself raw or paint miniature gnomes in my spare time it should be none of their business. But seeing as the world these days seems to disagree, I keep my gnome fetish to myself.

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Just now, Melchett said:

I agree but I also see the wisdom of the red pill maxim: "Think what you like, but speak as others do."

And yes, this whole growing attitude that your employer 'owns' you is very sinister. My employer has the 8 hours of my day they pay for. If I choose to wank myself raw or paint miniature gnomes in my spare time it should be none of their business. But seeing as the world these days seems to disagree, I keep my gnome fetish to myself.

Employers have long owned people in this country and in the US. 

People were hired on where they grew up, what school, uni, church or synagogue they went to. People were expected to act in a certain way, dress in a certain way. Single men were expected to get married if not already married. Even how you voted could be a job deal-breaker.

Breaking any often very narrow social norms would result in people losing job and pension. This was all up until fairly recently.

I am 52 and in the last few months have been experimenting with different types of beards and moustaches. For several years I have mainted a stubble look. But for most of my working life it was a big no no to have any facial hair in the work-place. It was said that men who had beards would not be hired. In fact, there was at least one big IT consultancy in the 80's that had a strict no facial hair policy.

I feel quite free now making myself look silly with my attempts at different 'Game of Thrones' beards but for most of my life it would simply not have been allowed.

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6 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Employers have long owned people in this country and in the US. 

People were hired on where they grew up, what school, uni, church or synagogue they went to. People were expected to act in a certain way, dress in a certain way. Single men were expected to get married if not already married. Even how you voted could be a job deal-breaker.

Breaking any often very narrow social norms would result in people losing job and pension. This was all up until fairly recently.

I am 52 and in the last few months have been experimenting with different types of beards and moustaches. For several years I have mainted a stubble look. But for most of my working life it was a big no no to have any facial hair in the work-place. It was said that men who had beards would not be hired. In fact, there was at least one big IT consultancy in the 80's that had a strict no facial hair policy.

I feel quite free now making myself look silly with my attempts at different 'Game of Thrones' beards but for most of my life it would simply not have been allowed.

Trans lesbian with a beard? I'm getting the picture now :D

Used to be in Engineering that you had to be a Mason to get anywhere.

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The Left won almost continuously from the mid-60s until 2016 using these ugly tactics. These ugly tactics are extremely effective and so they should be used by the right as well. If the left stops using them (and I don't think they will in the near future) then the right should also stop using them. The Left is willing to do anything, literally anything (for example import millions of military age men from barbaric cultures into Europe every year) to achieve victory. We cannot let them win here.

I would prefer to live in a world without this.

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3 minutes ago, Option5 said:

Trans lesbian with a beard? I'm getting the picture now :D

Used to be in Engineering that you had to be a Mason to get anywhere.

It is all part of my future career plan. I am entering the Eurovision next year.

I will be incredibly crap but my trans lesbianism, beard and some other guff will assure a brief but highly lucrative career in the MSM.

Just think a 'Little finger' goatee in a wig, dress and high heels. Last week it was a Tormund mane.

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3 minutes ago, Stunley Andwin said:

The Left won almost continuously from the mid-60s until 2016 using these ugly tactics. These ugly tactics are extremely effective and so they should be used by the right as well. If the left stops using them (and I don't think they will in the near future) then the right should also stop using them. The Left is willing to do anything, literally anything (for example import millions of military age men from barbaric cultures into Europe every year) to achieve victory. We cannot let them win here.

I would prefer to live in a world without this.

That is the bottom line with all of this immigration - they think that mass immigration will enable them to stay in power forever. They are the fox carrying the scorpion across the river.

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3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

It is all part of my future career plan. I am entering the Eurovision next year.

We might not be allowed in Eurovision next year, Brexit and all that.

A threat like that could double the leave vote. :wanker:

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I have no idea why anyone even remotely in the public gaze, would want anything to do with twitter. Between their drunken, fucked up ramblings and mental fanbases, it's never going to end well.

What twitter probably needs (other than the preferable option of  completely obliterating it from existence) is a button that pops up just before you fire a bon mot into the ether that says 'Are you sure you want to be posting this?'

At any rate, I've not a great deal of sympathy for either of them. Gunn's postings were beyond the pale. You'd have to be a couple of IQ points short of a moron to think they were a good idea. Roseanne just needs to pull her wireless when she decides to get fucked-up on prescription drugs.

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1 hour ago, null; said:

So Roseanne its all about her being racist

To be honest when Roseanne says she didn't realise Valerie Jarrett was black, I believe her. To be honest I still don't really see why she should be considered black for the purposes of being offended, given she's mostly white genetically, and looks it.  

valerie-jarrett.jpg

From wiki: DNA testing indicated that Jarrett is of 49% European, 46% African, and 5% Native American descent.

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1 minute ago, Hail the Tripod said:

 

From wiki: DNA testing indicated that Jarrett is of 49% European, 46% African, and 5% Native American descent.

 

Is that the basis of her black roots claim? Surely most of us would be similar? Well, most of us would not have the Native American bit but having that in the US is a very beneficial thing to have isn't it? Does she get a bit of all that casino money as a result?

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1 hour ago, TheNoSnowMan said:

I really don't know how to feel on this one. I'm not really a believer that you should be fired because of something you said on social media. Up until now it's been a left wing form of attack to get rid of someone they don't like. Look what happened to Toby Young when he got a job working for some Governmental department (think it was education). They found some tweets of his from 2010 saying some woman he'd met/ been with had 'nice tits' - obvious misogynist - has no place in government - he has to go. And so he quits (like a bloody idiot). Then all the shit starts coming out about Brendan Cox (in other words, the media starts reporting on his dodgy departure from Save the Children) and the left respond with 'oh poor Brendan, he's changed. He's a much better man now. Leave him alone - poor St Joe of Cox etc etc'

As the saying goes, if the left didn't have double standards they woudn't have any standards at all.

Completely agree.

I mean seriously its got to the point where you can't say anything about anyone on the left without finding out that you have commited a sin against humanity.

So Trump gets called all sorts of names, but that fine. Someone calls Diane Abbot an idiot (factually correct) and suddenly its racist. But these same people believe that the derogatory term 'gammon' is not racist despite it being exclusively aimed at white people (as admitted by the so called left liberals).

The left use being offended as their main weapon, because their arguements and logic are weak.

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2 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Employers have long owned people in this country and in the US. Breaking any often very narrow social norms would result in people losing job and pension. This was all up until fairly recently.I feel quite free now making myself look silly with my attempts at different 'Game of Thrones' beards but for most of my life it would simply not have been allowed.

Me boss was shocked when I csme in with an infinity tatoo last week. She seemed even more surprised that it came out of a child's sweet packet.

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The left use being offended as their main weapon

No wonder they hate Trump. He doesn't give a fuck about them being offended and has paved the way for many other people to tell the SJWs to fuck off.

 

 

Edited by jm51

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9 hours ago, Melchett said:

People will always make more allowances for their mates. Or if they have skin in a particular game.

 

Unrelated to that pithy observation:

To me Gunn has contributed way more to popular culture than Barr. But his tweets are beyond the Pale to any decent person, whereas hers, AFAICR, were simply politically incorrect.

come on dude Roseanne was an ace sitcom

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10 hours ago, Melchett said:

People will always make more allowances for their mates. Or if they have skin in a particular game.

 

Unrelated to that pithy observation:

To me Gunn has contributed way more to popular culture than Barr. But his tweets are beyond the Pale to any decent person, whereas hers, AFAICR, were simply politically incorrect.

Indeed, Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed was a revelation.

xD

I've actually seen none of his work, but I just looked him up on wikipedo and it's mostly remakes of cartoons, and comic book rehash stuff. What was it he's done that's actually any good?

Edited by SpectrumFX

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