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Dave Bloke

Britain needs 200K immigrunts / year according to cheap labour think tank

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6 minutes ago, davidg said:

According to a Think Tank linked to an employees organisation Britain needs 200K immigrants per year to avoid "catastrophic economic consequences".

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/19/uk-needs-more-immigrants-to-avoid-brexit-catastrophe

Why? Are they going to sell them for parts?

Fucking Guardian bollocks.

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Gurnek Bains, Global Future’s founder and chief executive, said: “In this general election political leaders have failed to challenge the assumption that less immigration would be good for Britain. It might help particular politicians win elections but voters and our national interests will be the losers. There are now political leaders from across the political spectrum who either pretend lower immigration will solve every problem or connive in this deceit. These politicians are not only selling voters short – they are selling our country short too.”

It is a total joke that such a dyed-in-the-wool globalist uses terms like "our national interests" and "our country" when he would rather countries didn't exist.

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But it's true.

Under the current UK economic model, which is totally f*cked, sustaining GDP growth can only be done this way, and even then it'll only work for a few more years..

Changing the economic model to something more sustainable would be massively unpleasant and painful, involving a significant recession, and May has been totally dishonest about this, so probably has no intention of doing it.  

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3 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

But it's true.

Under the current UK economic model, which is totally f*cked, sustaining GDP growth can only be done this way, and even then it'll only work for a few more years..

Changing the economic model to something more sustainable would be massively unpleasant and painful, involving a significant recession, and May has been totally dishonest about this, so probably has no intention of doing it.  

Another 200,000 a year, with elderly dependents, just makes the problem and the eventual reallignment worse.

When you are already in a hole you stop digging.

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4 minutes ago, swissy_fit said:

But it's true.

Under the current UK economic model, which is totally f*cked, sustaining GDP growth can only be done this way, and even then it'll only work for a few more years..

Changing the economic model to something more sustainable would be massively unpleasant and painful, involving a significant recession, and May has been totally dishonest about this, so probably has no intention of doing it.  

Would agree with that ,but the model has to change at some point the sooner the better in my eyes 

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3 minutes ago, Horrified Onlooker said:

How are these fuckers funded? How do I get in on this scam? Get paid for writing this sort of shit. Almost like being paid to be on here without the common sense.....

Global Future is supported by our strategic Advisory Board:
Evelyn Bourke, Group CEO, Bupa
Mike Coupe, CEO, J Sainsbury plc

Akram Khan, Internationally-acclaimed dancer and choreographer
Professor Miles Hewstone, Director, Oxford Centre for the Study of Intergroup Conflict
Lord Spencer Livermore, of Rotherhithe

 

Do you think that, just possibly, BUPA and Sainsbury may have an interest in promoting the inflow of cheap labour?

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As always, the question is 'catastrophic economic consequences' for whom.

[FH has just posted a couple of examples of the 'whom']

Edited by dgul

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Was_an_Old_Lady_Who_Swallowed_a_Fly

27 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Global Future is supported by our strategic Advisory Board:
Evelyn Bourke, Group CEO, Bupa
Mike Coupe, CEO, J Sainsbury plc


Akram Khan, Internationally-acclaimed dancer and choreographer          <-?????????? WTF ????????


Professor Miles Hewstone, Director, Oxford Centre for the Study of Intergroup Conflict
Lord Spencer Livermore, of Rotherhithe

 

Do you think that, just possibly, BUPA and Sainsbury may have an interest in promoting the inflow of cheap labour?

 

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Putting the dancer aside, there was something on the radio re. immigration that I was going to put in a separate topic.

 Heres just a good as place/same topic.

The man on R4 Today was going 'up to 2004, there was roughly 1m UK in Europe and 1m Europeans in the UK'

That tallied with my experience - I meet the odd continental but not that many. a few French, the odd Dutch and German, couple of Swedes. And my partner - even then we tended to travel (mainly to London, to Italians, UK is London, Stonehenge, Scotland) to meet her fellow Italians, not being a large lump settled in some out of town ghetto.

After 2004 and EE ascension, the official figures are about 4M EUers in the UK - thats mainly 3M EE who've turned up in the last 12 years.

There's been a small increase in the number of Spanish,. Portuguese and Italian nurses who've turned up. But they tend to single people, licing wihtin hospital housing on site normally.

Now I reckon the officialfigures lag a year or so behind the numbers on the ground and do not record the friends crashing on sofas and working chas in hadn, or the Grandparents turning up for months (for ever) looking after the kids/using the NHS.

Put aside the non-EE EUers, I reckons there's about ~5M EEer in the UK.

 

Back to this report:

The claim we need extra to support OAPs is BS. The EErs are bringing their old relatives over FFS!

' The report says that even with a later retirement age, Britain faces a demographic time bomb, and needs migration of 130,000 a year to maintain the working population at its current level. '

Why do we need to maintain the working popluation? Less people, we are forced to become more prodtuvie. The UKs current productivity can be summed up in 3 words: Romanian Hand carwash.

'The report also predicts the demand for skilled labour across social care, construction and nursing alone will require an extra 47,000 migrant workers a year, higher than the current migration of skilled, predominantly EU workers across all sectors.

In unskilled industries, such as hospitality, the industry will remain heavily dependent on migration, with the report predicting a continuing requirement for an extra 60,000 migrants a year.'

We could train up our our dossers for the 'skilled' work.

UInskilled work and workers can fuck off. Thats purely driven by tax credits.

' Global Future points out that 22,000 of the 115,000-strong permanent workforce in agriculture come from the EU, supplemented by 60,000 seasonal workers. In food processing, 120,000 of the 400,000-strong workforce are from the EU. '

Fuck farms. We can import food. If they want to emplot Romanians then buy a farm in Romania.

The UK does not need much in the way of migrants.

The solution to the EU thing and future work is to set a wage hurdle.

Get over that and you come in.

For EUers its simple - no recourse to housign benefit (they have hosuing, in he coutnry they came from). No recourse to tax credits. NHS and schools for non working spuses and or kids must be paid for - just like the rest of Europe.

 

 

Edited by spygirl

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35 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Putting the dancer aside, there was something on the radio re. immigration that I was going to put in a separate topic.

 Heres just a good as place/same topic.

The man on R4 Today was going 'up to 2004, there was roughly 1m UK in Europe and 1m Europeans in the UK'

That tallied with my experience - I meet the odd continental but not that many. a few French, the odd Dutch and German, couple of Swedes. And my partner - even then we tended to travel (mainly to London, to Italians, UK is London, Stonehenge, Scotland) to meet her fellow Italians, not being a large lump settled in some out of town ghetto.

After 2004 and EE ascension, the official figures are about 4M EUers in the UK - thats mainly 3M EE who've turned up in the last 12 years.

There's been a small increase in the number of Spanish,. Portuguese and Italian nurses who've turned up. But they tend to single people, licing wihtin hospital housing on site normally.

Now I reckon the officialfigures lag a year or so behind the numbers on the ground and do not record the friends crashing on sofas and working chas in hadn, or the Grandparents turning up for months (for ever) looking after the kids/using the NHS.

Put aside the non-EE EUers, I reckons there's about ~5M EEer in the UK.

 

Back to this report:

The claim we need extra to support OAPs is BS. The EErs are bringing their old relatives over FFS!

' The report says that even with a later retirement age, Britain faces a demographic time bomb, and needs migration of 130,000 a year to maintain the working population at its current level. '

Why do we need to maintain the working popluation? Less people, we are forced to become more prodtuvie. The UKs current productivity can be summed up in 3 words: Romanian Hand carwash.

'The report also predicts the demand for skilled labour across social care, construction and nursing alone will require an extra 47,000 migrant workers a year, higher than the current migration of skilled, predominantly EU workers across all sectors.

In unskilled industries, such as hospitality, the industry will remain heavily dependent on migration, with the report predicting a continuing requirement for an extra 60,000 migrants a year.'

We could train up our our dossers for the 'skilled' work.

UInskilled work and workers can fuck off. Thats purely driven by tax credits.

' Global Future points out that 22,000 of the 115,000-strong permanent workforce in agriculture come from the EU, supplemented by 60,000 seasonal workers. In food processing, 120,000 of the 400,000-strong workforce are from the EU. '

Fuck farms. We can import food. If they want to emplot Romanians then buy a farm in Romania.

The UK does not need much in the way of migrants.

The solution to the EU thing and future work is to set a wage hurdle.

Get over that and you come in.

For EUers its simple - no recourse to housign benefit (they have hosuing, in he coutnry they came from). No recourse to tax credits. NHS and schools for non working spuses and or kids must be paid for - just like the rest of Europe.

 

 

There is so much crap to attack in this particular article isn't there.  Let's pick a couple:

the main premise seems to be that we need to maintain the current workforce.  No we don't.  Many are employed, as you say, washing cars. Others making expensive coffee and sandwiches, driving cabs and busses, staffing shops.  If there are less people, we don't need as many of these jobs doing.  We can also revert to washing our own cars and making our own sandwiches.  

Hospitality.  It is not an essential. 

One of the main impacts of mass low skilled migration is that it has squeezed out those who would traditionally do these jobs, mainly students.  A few years ago, the vast majority of students would do part time work in shops, pubs, cafes etc.  Now, hardly any of them work as it is easier for the employer to just exploit an overseas worker.  

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Just now, One percent said:

There is so much crap to attack in this particular article isn't there.  Let's pick a couple:


Or just the one:

How many people in the UK are looking for work?

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Just now, sarahbell said:


Or just the one:

How many people in the UK are looking for work?

Yes!  And the figures that are to hand on this are made up carp.  Zero hour contracts, part time work, self employed all subsidised by tax credits mask a number a lot higher. 

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Just now, One percent said:

Yes!  And the figures that are to hand on this are made up carp.  Zero hour contracts, part time work, self employed all subsidised by tax credits mask a number a lot higher. 


And the sooner we start training them the better.

 

http://www.workpermit.com/immigration/united-kingdom/uk-tier-2-shortage-occupation-list

Includes:

 

3414

Dancers and choreographers
 

3415

Musicians

5434

Chefs

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Just now, sarahbell said:


And the sooner we start training them the better.

 

Education organisations, especially FE are far to busy pretending to train people so as to mask the massive youth unemployment numbers to bother doing real training.  

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