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I happened to switch on the telly and come across the Europeans Championships. Why do people want to dedicate large parts of their adult life to becoming professional athletes? Unless you're at the very top of your game I can't see you making any money.

A British guy just won the 100m breast stroke. I just can't see where the money comes from to pay this guy more than a fairly crap salary. Dont get me wrong, it must be a fun life travelling the world etc. However it just seems a waste of time to me.....

 

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Lottery funding now means they get to train full time doing what they love, Steve Ovett used to have to train after work, plus if they stand out they can make one or several millions.  Adam Peaty stands out as it's ages since we had a world class male swimmer and he's breaking world records left, right and centre.

I'd have thought that Adam Peaty will comfortably become a millionaire from his swimming through sponsorship and commercial endorsements.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Lottery funding now means they get to train full time doing what they love, Steve Ovett used to have to train after work, plus if they stand out they can make one or several millions.  Adam Peaty stands out as it's ages since we had a world class male swimmer and he's breaking world records left, right and centre.

I'd have thought that Adam Peaty will comfortably become a millionaire from his swimming through sponsorship and commercial endorsements.

 

 

 

But the OP is mainly right.  Any of these sporting 'jobs' are mainly a lottery to become one of the top 'n' in the world.  Even things like footballers -- given the massive numbers of youngsters trying the weighted rewards of trying are probably puny (ie, £1,000,000 salary / 1,000,000 boys trying = a weighted reward of £1).  The rewards for being one of the top 3 male swimmers are probably great, but the reward for being 30th in the world probably non-existent -- and being 30th in the world will take up all of your time and also massively reduce the possibility of success in a second field (ie, get educated and experience to get a proper job).  There's also the reduced active years in the profession -- they've only got a few years in which to make all their money, and the very act of trying so hard in athletics will reduce earnings after their active years (in this regard they're like prostitutes and glamour models -- look at the K Price thread to see how that works out in a 'very successful' case).

Anyway, to answer the OP -- they do it because they like it and they can. Just like many others that manage to do something they like and sort-of get paid for it.

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16 minutes ago, dgul said:

But the OP is mainly right.  Any of these sporting 'jobs' are mainly a lottery to become one of the top 'n' in the world.  Even things like footballers -- given the massive numbers of youngsters trying the weighted rewards of trying are probably puny (ie, £1,000,000 salary / 1,000,000 boys trying = a weighted reward of £1).  The rewards for being one of the top 3 male swimmers are probably great, but the reward for being 30th in the world probably non-existent -- and being 30th in the world will take up all of your time and also massively reduce the possibility of success in a second field (ie, get educated and experience to get a proper job).  There's also the reduced active years in the profession -- they've only got a few years in which to make all their money, and the very act of trying so hard in athletics will reduce earnings after their active years (in this regard they're like prostitutes and glamour models -- look at the K Price thread to see how that works out in a 'very successful' case).

Anyway, to answer the OP -- they do it because they like it and they can. Just like many others that manage to do something they like and sort-of get paid for it.

This,

Life's not just about money

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1 hour ago, Great Guy said:

I happened to switch on the telly and come across the Europeans Championships. Why do people want to dedicate large parts of their adult life to becoming professional athletes? Unless you're at the very top of your game I can't see you making any money.

A British guy just won the 100m breast stroke. I just can't see where the money comes from to pay this guy more than a fairly crap salary. Dont get me wrong, it must be a fun life travelling the world etc. However it just seems a waste of time to me.....

 

This is one where if you have to ask the question you'll never understand the answer.

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1 hour ago, Frank Hovis said:

Lottery funding now means they get to train full time doing what they love, Steve Ovett used to have to train after work, plus if they stand out they can make one or several millions.  Adam Peaty stands out as it's ages since we had a world class male swimmer and he's breaking world records left, right and centre.

I'd have thought that Adam Peaty will comfortably become a millionaire from his swimming through sponsorship and commercial endorsements.

 

 

 

im presuming its peaty from my home town has i dont think theres anyone that can touch him,he will be a multi millionare by the time he is 35 he isnt stupid seems grounded and will become a posterboy for british sport if he wins a few more medals.but im biast has he is local.

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5 minutes ago, Roger_Mellie said:

This is one where if you have to ask the question you'll never understand the answer.

Indeed. I remember a poll from the late 80s (?), asking elite athletes whether they would take an untraceable drug that would kill them before they were 30, but would guarantee them an Olympic gold medal.

100% replied yes.

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30 minutes ago, Roger_Mellie said:

This is one where if you have to ask the question you'll never understand the answer.

i see where he is comeing from,only a fraction will make any money out of it.was it edmund hillary that was asked why he wanted to risk his life concering everest and simply replyed because its there..

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1 hour ago, Great Guy said:

I happened to switch on the telly and come across the Europeans Championships. Why do people want to dedicate large parts of their adult life to becoming professional athletes? Unless you're at the very top of your game I can't see you making any money.

A British guy just won the 100m breast stroke. I just can't see where the money comes from to pay this guy more than a fairly crap salary. Dont get me wrong, it must be a fun life travelling the world etc. However it just seems a waste of time to me.....

 

You have to do an eye watering amount of training often with very anti social hours and with no one but your coach for company.just to make it to the top Championship in swimming.  Divide the man hours involved by the reward and most probably would be better off in the gig economy. Your ambition or your love of sport has got to be enormous to take on that load. By comparison football is a doddle as you normally have team mates with which to socialise, the hours are way less and the sport is more fun than trundling up and down a pool like a hamster on its wheel

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3 hours ago, stokiescum said:

was it edmund hillary that was asked why he wanted to risk his life concering everest and simply replyed because its there..

George Mallory, apparently. I'd heard a talk that suggested he found the question daft, so gave a facile retort, but, in the age of idiocracy, some profound meaning has now been conferred on it.

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25 minutes ago, Bod said:

George Mallory, apparently. I'd heard a talk that suggested he found the question daft, so gave a facile retort, but, in the age of idiocracy, some profound meaning has now been conferred on it.

takeing the same sort of context into other areas,ie medcine and science we would be fucked though no one would bother wasteing time wondering why on any given subject,only a handfull of the cleverest actualy discovered or invented anything 

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You'll not crack any of the 4 strokes to any degree of competency without dilligent training 

im talking at least 6hrs a week in the pool but more like 24. 

Will you make money from it? nah 

theres so much human dross out there that thinks there gonna be something special.

You get so called "coaches" telling parents there kid has been selected for early morning "squad" training, this is all a money spinner for the shite "coaches" they will end up with wrecked shoulders due to crap coaching and go nowhere. 

 Peaty? = Doper 

he was a shit freestyler and they stuck him on Breast because thats all he could cope with

Edited by WorkingPoor

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6 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

time will tell .

its true 

breaststroke (although enjoyable if swum correctly) doesnt have the fan base of freestyle, it's considered naff and is the slowest of the 4 strokes. 

Peaty is trying to talk it up, as thats the only way he can make £ 

The truth is the Team GB coaches looked at his freestyle and realised there was no way he would make a freestyler so they kicked him down to Breast 

i'd say the only reason he is on team GB is through family influence or similar. 

Possibly homo too given todays display with the other team GB swimmer "wilkes" ? 

Another Tom Daly fake ass type

Edited by WorkingPoor

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23 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

its true 

breststroke (although enjoyable of swum correctly) doesnt have the fan base of freestyle, it's considered naff and is the slowest of the 4 strokes. 

Peaty is trying to talk it up, as thats the only way he can make £ 

The truth is the Team GB coaches looked at his freestyle and realised there was now way he would make a freestyler so they kicked him down to Breast 

that might be true,but i would have thought people traveling abroad want to see our swimmers win or set world records.its something he can actualy deliver ie first gold in the pool for over 25 years.world records brocken often.pity the other 3 stoke swimmers could not match his obviese talent.....we would then dominate swimming

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4 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

that might be true,but i would have thought people traveling abroad want to see our swimmers win or set world records.its something he can actualy deliver ie first gold in the pool for over 25 years.world records brocken often.pity the other 3 stoke swimmers could not match his obviese talent.....we would then dominate swimming

Swimming is a sport of dopers like cycling

east europeans & italians do best  

peaty was snatching at the water yesterday trying to brute strength it 

he cuts a desperate figure 

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I used to know this guy fairly well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Burns

Trained 6-7 hours a day and worked as a mechanic for another 4 hours to pay his rent. Needed to take three months off to train for the Olympics but was told he couldn't claim unemployment benefit as he wasn't available for work. So he had to Jack it in. This was pre lottery money which I think would have made all the difference.

But basically, even as a double world silver medallist he just couldn't afford to continue.

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24 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

Swimming is a sport of dopers like cycling

east europeans & italians do best  

 

so is it just peaty or the entire team,granted cyclists have been caught out time after time.ie a lance armstrong moment .like i said time will tell.

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26 minutes ago, Cunning Plan said:

I used to know this guy fairly well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Burns

Trained 6-7 hours a day and worked as a mechanic for another 4 hours to pay his rent. Needed to take three months off to train for the Olympics but was told he couldn't claim unemployment benefit as he wasn't available for work. So he had to Jack it in. This was pre lottery money which I think would have made all the difference.

But basically, even as a double world silver medallist he just couldn't afford to continue.

to be fair other countrys fund the best they have it was only logical we would,i personaly dont like sport in fact any sport i dont watch a single one,i managed to watch a couple of the world cup games but only because i put a bet on to make it interesting.i pissed everyone off at work by saying croatia would defeat us they did.however even i can raise a smile when i see a world champion in a local pub in the small town uttoxeter where my mum lives and both of my sisters.

mind i also raised a smile when i realized i was sat next to the ride operator of the smiler at alton towers,the day it had its little accident so maybe im a bit fked up.

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40 minutes ago, WorkingPoor said:

Swimming is a sport of dopers like cycling

east europeans & italians do best  

peaty was snatching at the water yesterday trying to brute strength it 

he cuts a desperate figure 

didnt he set another world record though? maybe he has reinvented the breast stroke from one of lithe movement to one of brute strength.no doubt tenis purists said the same about grunting at service.....

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9 hours ago, WorkingPoor said:

You'll not crack any of the 4 strokes to any degree of competency without dilligent training 

im talking at least 6hrs a week in the pool but more like 24. 

Will you make money from it? nah 

theres so much human dross out there that thinks there gonna be something special.

You get so called "coaches" telling parents there kid has been selected for early morning "squad" training, this is all a money spinner for the shite "coaches" they will end up with wrecked shoulders due to crap coaching and go nowhere. 

 Peaty? = Doper 

he was a shit freestyler and they stuck him on Breast because thats all he could cope with

Lad at work had a daughter selected for this. Took her to Leeds for training at 6am (might have been 5??) Every single day.

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1 hour ago, Roger_Mellie said:

Lad at work had a daughter selected for this. Took her to Leeds for training at 6am (might have been 5??) Every single day.

I think this is why many top swimmers seem to retire very young. I can't think of any physical reason they can't continue into their late 30's. Swimming is 90%+ technique. That can always be improved. 

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1 hour ago, ccc said:

I think this is why many top swimmers seem to retire very young. I can't think of any physical reason they can't continue into their late 30's. Swimming is 90%+ technique. That can always be improved. 

They retire very young because there’s no money in it

Spitz retired at 22 so he could cash in on sponsorship deals

Swimming only really became a professional sport after Ian Thorpe. Thorpe brought shitloads of attention and money to it seeing as in 2000/2001 he was borderline most famous athlete in the world. Note that Thorpe only cared about freestyle and literally broke the American stranglehold on the sport.

From 1999-2004 he probably made more money than the entire sport put together. And yes ironically he retired at 21. This was right at the start of the birth of reality celebrity culture where athletes are literally treated like gods.

if Thorpe was around today with all the additional bullshit events added to increase the medal count, and with being a gay SJW, his earnings would be in the $100m region imo

Now there’s probably 10-20 swimmers making several million a year, and quite a few on decent money up to 100k a year.

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3 hours ago, Roger_Mellie said:

Lad at work had a daughter selected for this. Took her to Leeds for training at 6am (might have been 5??) Every single day.

Dipsy junior was a member of a swimming club for a few years. She was good but not good enough to ever finish in a medal place and wasn't going to improve sufficiently so she gave it up. She is a very strong, competent swimmer so has a useful life skill but these clubs really are meat grinders.

I guess those at the top do it because they love the competition, it maybe the only thing that they are good at and there is more funding available at the elite levels.

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The guys at the very top make money. Everyone else - not so much.

Even in a rich sport like Tennis, only the ATP top 100 make enough money, and really only the Top 50 makes enough to sustain a profitable career. The top 30 make a great deal and the Top 10 are into the 100 million category for a long career.

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