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JackieO

France Passes Law Saying Children Can Consent To Sex With Adults

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President Macron’s government has voted against having an age of consent in France, becoming the latest nation to give in to pressure from an international network of liberal activists determined to normalize pedophilia and decriminalize sex with children across the world.

Federal law in France now has no legal age of consent, meaning adults who have sex with children of any age will not be prosecuted for rape if the child victim is unable to prove “violence, threat, duress, or surprise.”

 

The draft bill against sexual and gender-based violence, known as the Schiappa law, was signed into law by the French Parliament on 3 August, sparking outrage in France as parents and children’s rights groups accuse Emmanuel Macron’s government of betraying the nation’s children.

The lack of an age of consent places millions of children in serious danger of sexual abuse in France, according to child protection officials.

Childrens’ rights groups criticised Emmanuel Macron’s government for failing to provide a legal age of consent to protect children, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two pedophiles for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn’t prove the children did not consent.

On Thursday, several groups, including the French Council of Associations for the Rights of the Child, issued a joint statement to express their “indignation” at the abandonment of an age of consent under French law.

In a joint statement, the associations condemned the new law in the strongest possible terms: “This should be the flagship measure of the bill: the introduction of an age below which children would automatically be considered unable to consent to sex with adults.

 

The French child protection associations are demanding that Macron’s government revoke the Schiappa law and establish a legal age of consent under which any sexual act involving an adult and a child will constitute rape.

The abandonment of a legal age of consent has shocked French society. The controversial bill had focused on an appropriate threshold for an age of consent — 13 or 15 years. However, the choice was made to abandon the principle of a minimum age.

In its final version, the Schiappa law provides that for children under the age of 15, “the moral constraint or the surprise is characterized by the abuse of the vulnerability of the victim who does not have the necessary discernment for these acts“. However, the former minister of women’s rights, Laurence Rossignol, says these notions of “vulnerability” and “discernment” leave far too much room for pedophiles to escape punishment under the law.

“Outdated laws”

France is not the only European nation moving towards the decriminalization of sex with children. According to top German immigration attorney Hans Goldsberg, laws on pedophilia are outdated and need to be abolished.

There will be the need for a consolidation of national laws under the current European system on the legal aspects of sex. Most of these national rulings don’t represent the modern social complexities of our times and are legally baseless. Some even argue that a law on the age of consent has become superfluous and should no longer exist,” claims the lawyer who has worked for more than 35 years in his field.

Support for the European motion also exists in the United States.

Just think about how 2,000 years ago the Greeks were a much more open society. We must remember that love between a man and a boy were not as taboo as today,” explains cultural anthropologist, Thomas Black, from the University of Michigan.

Currently the age of consent varies by state across the USA and is currently set between 16 and 18 years of age.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, JackieO said:

 

 

Fake news i'm afraid, in fact France has just passed a law that made it far easier to charge adults who had sex with children under 15 with rape. It has strengthened its consent laws, not weakened them.

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Civilisation has peaked.

I do wonder sometimes whethere this islamification of the West has been mainly driven by alleged paedophile friendly politicians and the rich & powerful in order to somehow justify their desire to have sex with children legalised.

Flood the West with muslims, who think that sex with children is normal and who also will riot if you challenge any of their views, and you can then slowly drip, drip, drip into legislation the remove of laws protecting children.

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Eh?

I thought the tide was running in the exact opposite direction with pressure on countries like Spain with an age of consent at 14 to raise it to 16.

It's actions like this by a nominee president of the big international banks that make you wonder if the Clothing Factory / Epstein / Pizzagate are actually all true and they are going to force compromised politicians to legalise their activities.

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Just now, Option5 said:

Fake news i'm afraid, in fact France has just passed a law that made it far easier to charge adults who had sex with children under 15 with rape. It has strengthened its consent laws, not weakened them.

Oh.  Well that would be different then.

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Quite a complex subject really.  Clearly there is a need to protect children from abuse (actually relatively easy), but there is also the need to protect children from themselves (ie, where the child gives consent but they shouldn't have) while also managing to protect children from prosecution where they are only exploring / finding themselves within their peer group. 

If France has managed to get a better solution for this, then good for them.

[The UK is a bit backwards -- in the case of a 15 yr old having sex with a 15 year old they're both guilty of a serious sexual crime.  It is only the law 'looking over' this sort of thing that means that there aren't gazillions of prosecutions each year, but each year we nevertheless get the odd case where an overzealous parent / official pushes it through.  This is an unsatisfactory situation.]

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The so-called Romeo and Juliet laws make sense to me. Where it's ok (or at least not criminal) for two youngsters to have at it, but us oldies have to leave them alone.

So two 15 year olds. No crime.

40 year old and a 15 year old. Then there's a criminal offence.

I think that ties in with most peoples sense of right and wrong.

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13 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

The so-called Romeo and Juliet laws make sense to me. Where it's ok (or at least not criminal) for two youngsters to have at it, but us oldies have to leave them alone.

So two 15 year olds. No crime.

40 year old and a 15 year old. Then there's a criminal offence.

I think that ties in with most peoples sense of right and wrong.

This seems about right to me (was checking for a friend :Old:)

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in Iowa, the general age of consent to engage in sex is 16. However, females may consent to sex at age 14 so long as their partner is no more than 5 years older.20 Apr 2018

 

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17 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

The so-called Romeo and Juliet laws make sense to me. Where it's ok (or at least not criminal) for two youngsters to have at it, but us oldies have to leave them alone.

So two 15 year olds. No crime.

40 year old and a 15 year old. Then there's a criminal offence.

I think that ties in with most peoples sense of right and wrong.

That's pretty much how it works in Canada. Makes sense to me too.

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From Le Figaro: Sexual consent: the law does not set an age limit

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Publié le 03/08/2018 à 19:15


Child protection associations regret that the law is not clearer.

Subject of controversy, source of heated debate for over a year, the issue of the minimum age of sexual consent was finally dismissed. A time defended by the government, the presumption of non-consent of the under-15s is the great missing of the bill on sexual and sexual violence, voted Wednesday by the National Assembly.

A "disappointment" for most child welfare associations, who demanded that any entry into a child be considered rape, without the victim having to prove "violence, threat, duress, or surprise" as she must do today. Thursday, several groups, including the French Council of Associations for the Rights of the Child have issued a statement to express their "indignation" at the abandonment "of what should be the flagship measure of the bill."


    Originally, the government had promised to include in the Penal Code an age limit of presumption of "non-consent" of minors to a sexual act.

President of Traumatic Memory and Victimology, Muriel Salmona evokes "a treason" of the government. "These measures ...

The rest of the article is behind a pay wall.

Sorry about the English above from google translate.

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32 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

The so-called Romeo and Juliet laws make sense to me. Where it's ok (or at least not criminal) for two youngsters to have at it, but us oldies have to leave them alone.

So two 15 year olds. No crime.

40 year old and a 15 year old. Then there's a criminal offence.

I think that ties in with most peoples sense of right and wrong.

When i was at High school in the late 80s and early 90s there were many 13/14/15 year old girls who had absolutely no interest in boys their own age and used to get picked up by tossers in the Mk2 Escorts and Capris who were aged from 18-25.

So at what point does the age limit become too much?

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1 hour ago, SpectrumFX said:

The so-called Romeo and Juliet laws make sense to me. Where it's ok (or at least not criminal) for two youngsters to have at it, but us oldies have to leave them alone.

So two 15 year olds. No crime.

40 year old and a 15 year old. Then there's a criminal offence.

I think that ties in with most peoples sense of right and wrong.

With the muslim grooming gangs they tend to start by sending in the youngest one first to ensnare the girl before everybody starts taking turns.

Bring that law in and they'll start using 14 / 15 yo boys to get the girls into their clutches and the initial grooming and sex then won't be illegal.

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1 hour ago, TheBlueCat said:

I had no idea. The stuff about the 1960s counter culture is interesting, but I still come away thinking that the pedos are winning in France, with no attempt to rectify this glaring omission in child protection legislation. 

The five year thing: 14 year olds being fucked by 21 year olds is still wrong, imo.

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57 minutes ago, Banned said:

When i was at High school in the late 80s and early 90s there were many 13/14/15 year old girls who had absolutely no interest in boys their own age and used to get picked up by tossers in the Mk2 Escorts and Capris who were aged from 18-25.

So at what point does the age limit become too much?

If we're honest it's arbitrary to a degree, but there's an argument (which I'm inclined to agree with) that those girls need protecting from themselves.

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2 hours ago, Option5 said:

Fake news i'm afraid, in fact France has just passed a law that made it far easier to charge adults who had sex with children under 15 with rape. It has strengthened its consent laws, not weakened them.

Please elaborate. As far as I can see the article is accurate. They may claim that they have strengthened the protection, but actually the criticism is that the wording is so vague that pedos will still go unprosecuted. Still no age of consent. So how is it fake news?

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14 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

With the muslim grooming gangs they tend to start by sending in the youngest one first to ensnare the girl before everybody starts taking turns.

Bring that law in and they'll start using 14 / 15 yo boys to get the girls into their clutches and the initial grooming and sex then won't be illegal.

True enough, but we're doing fuck all about it now, and there'd be some sort of conspiracy to exploit a minor charge that could be brought onto the statute books if there was a will to do anything about it.

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