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Interesting.

I've seen PIs who are bullies because they are intellectually inadequate and I've seen PIs labelled bullies by their intellectually inadequate staff, the former admittedly, much more common than the latter.

Nazneen comes across well as a speaker (just watched some of her talks), which can often provide an insight into a person's knowledge and whether they are on top of their game. Although she has a bit of the Treason May about her, see second video. In the meantime

A bit prophetic perhaps

 

 

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Impossible to form an opinion without really knowing her or what she is alleged to have done.

But if she really is a leader in the world of cancer research you would hope there is more to this than a couple of snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist.

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17 minutes ago, Libspero said:

Impossible to form an opinion without really knowing her or what she is alleged to have done.

But if she really is a leader in the world of cancer research you would hope there is more to this than a couple of snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist.

45 signatories to the letter. I’d guess she’s not made to be a boss. Sometimes clever people are not good bosses. 

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5 hours ago, Libspero said:

Impossible to form an opinion without really knowing her or what she is alleged to have done.

But if she really is a leader in the world of cancer research you would hope there is more to this than a couple of snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist.

 

4 hours ago, swiss_democracy_for_all said:

45 signatories to the letter. I’d guess she’s not made to be a boss. Sometimes clever people are not good bosses. 

 

It's very difficult to judge from the article. I've seen some vile colleagues that are not in their position based upon merit, they are the worse bullies and get away with it.

Nazneen Rahman is interesting.

Nazneen Rahman was clearly considered to be at the top of her game. Being considered to be at the top of your game can be justified or it can arise fraudulently because you bully/ride upon others' coat tails, such as usurping the work of post docs without due recognition.

45 is a lot of signatories, but this would have been a busy and big lab. So, how could this come about?

The lab environment has changed a lot in the last 30 years.

Today, there are a lot of snowflakes in  post graduate and post doctoral academia and so the work ethic has changed.

When I did my PhD and two post-docs in the 80s/90s the lab lights would typically turn on at about 7 in the morning and would still be on at 10pm in the evening. The labs were open 24/7 and there would always be people in at weekends. Such was the interest , enthusiasm, and pace of work. There was fun at work and a social life at work.

In the last 30 years I've seen it change to most PhDs and Post-docs rolling in at 9.15 with wet hair and leaving at 5.00 for their social life outside. Research has become a job rather than a way of life. I now know labs that close at 9.00pm, 'everybody out'. Why has this change taken place ? Largely, I think, because of two things that have worked together:

1) The demise of the laboratory technician grade in the 90s

2) Too many graduates

As a result the laboratory workplace/research has been swamped with post graduates (whom then get PhDs and become Post docs) that don't have research at heart - research is just something they fall into as,

i) they have a degree (just as they fell into a degree because they have 'A' levels) in other words it's progression,

ii) lab work still needs to be done and so graduates fulfill the role of technicians but are called PhDs and Post-docs and

iii) there is fekk all else to do for many with a degree.

These individuals ARE the technicians of yesterday whom would have turned up at 9.00am and gone home at 5.30, the people for whom science was just a job that paid for their social life outside. Today's modern technicians now swamp out the vocational researcher's that will go on to become PIs and that probably number the same as they ever did, hence the lab becoming a 9.00 - 5.00 environment.

BUT there is another side to modern day post-graduates and post-docs. Because of their title they think they are going to become PIs and there is a sense of entitlement. They can get very resentful and bitter when they find they get stuck at post-doctoral level because of lack of ability in a very demanding world.

As I said, it's very difficult to come to a conclusion about Nazneen Rahman from the evidence reported so far. But i) 45 signatories in a busy high profile lab might not be that many. ii) academia is woeful at getting to the heart of management issues, iii) it could be a knee jerk reaction.

 

A long post, but I'm painfully recovering a load of deleted data from an SSD drive, file by file, so nothing better to do that give my take on the decline of UK science.

 

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11 minutes ago, leonardratso said:

yeah, i lost my porn collection once too, much easier just to start a new one.

And they were all .mov files, 220gb of them, all 43 files recovered and so all's good. TestDisk is a very good recovery program if anyone finds they need to undelete/recover fiiles.

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