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spygirl

Whos off to the Hajj...

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3 minutes ago, spygirl said:

Big article on the radio hourly news.

Oh isnt muslim cool and clever....

Ive had a brainwave - call a pub The Hajj.

Stock with mo scratchings.

Isn’t this linked to the dingalong thing?  Confused as that happened ages ago

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I don't mind pilgrimage -- it surely can be an amazing life affirming thing to do.

I don't agree with the 'just getting there is all that matters' -- it has always been the effort of the journey that matters for pilgrimage.  What value is there if anyone can so easily do it?  It is like a medieval indulgence -- there's the right idea behind it somewhere, destroyed by the implementation.

Islam is far weaker due to mechanised travel being used for pilgrimage.  They should only use methods of travelling that were available in the 7th century -- walking, or camels for the wealthy, with rowing or sailing over open stretches of water.  Hajj appears to be a box-ticking exercise.

[I'd consider it theologically acceptable if everyone had to walk from a 'medievally relevant point', just for those living in Alaska (say).  I'd suggest the  Al-Aqsa Mosque.]

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2 minutes ago, dgul said:

I don't mind pilgrimage -- it surely can be an amazing life affirming thing to do.

I don't agree with the 'just getting there is all that matters' -- it has always been the effort of the journey that matters for pilgrimage.  What value is there if anyone can so easily do it?  It is like a medieval indulgence -- there's the right idea behind it somewhere, destroyed by the implementation.

Islam is far weaker due to mechanised travel being used for pilgrimage.  They should only use methods of travelling that were available in the 7th century -- walking, or camels for the wealthy, with rowing or sailing over open stretches of water.  Hajj appears to be a box-ticking exercise.

[I'd consider it theologically acceptable if everyone had to walk from a 'medievally relevant point', just for those living in Alaska (say).  I'd suggest the  Al-Aqsa Mosque.]

As a by-the-by part of Henry VIII's desire to break away from the Catholic church was because of its encouragment of peopel to go on pilgrimages as formed the basis for The Canterbury Tales.

People would go off for months on these and whilst they were doing this they weren't working to pay tax and produce foodstuffs so pilgrimage was costing the state money.

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5 minutes ago, PatronizingGit said:

Even their pilgrimage is violent...throwing stones at a big cube or wall or something isnt it?

Plus that mass stampede they favour which tends to account for a few dozen each year.

Lourdes or Walsingham it is not.

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5 hours ago, dgul said:

I don't mind pilgrimage -- it surely can be an amazing life affirming thing to do.

I don't agree with the 'just getting there is all that matters' -- it has always been the effort of the journey that matters for pilgrimage.  What value is there if anyone can so easily do it?  It is like a medieval indulgence -- there's the right idea behind it somewhere, destroyed by the implementation.

Islam is far weaker due to mechanised travel being used for pilgrimage.  They should only use methods of travelling that were available in the 7th century -- walking, or camels for the wealthy, with rowing or sailing over open stretches of water.  Hajj appears to be a box-ticking exercise.

[I'd consider it theologically acceptable if everyone had to walk from a 'medievally relevant point', just for those living in Alaska (say).  I'd suggest the  Al-Aqsa Mosque.]

one of my old friends is a monk his main work is helping pilgrims cross the pyranies apearently many catholics do it every year.normaly he attends the anual piss up in glemsford suffolk we try not to talk about religion for obviese reasons drink politics religion etc

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6 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Plus that mass stampede they favour which tends to account for a few dozen each year.

Lourdes or Walsingham it is not.

we used to run a sweepstake on it at work,ie numbers killed.yes we are twats.whilst watching the glenfell fire last years live on tv i work nights dont forget we were takeing bets.i went for 140 i didnt win.

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44 minutes ago, stokiescum said:

one of my old friends is a monk his main work is helping pilgrims cross the pyranies apearently many catholics do it every year.normaly he attends the anual piss up in glemsford suffolk we try not to talk about religion for obviese reasons drink politics religion etc

The Camino De Santiago.

The full film "The Way" is on youtube.  Give you an accurate idea what walking the Camino is like, and it's also a great film.

 

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23 minutes ago, montecristo said:

The Camino De Santiago.

The full film "The Way" is on youtube.  Give you an accurate idea what walking the Camino is like, and it's also a great film.

 

he has a 50cc moped to get around the mountains,he offers spiritual advice and encourages them and looks out for strays

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1 hour ago, stokiescum said:

one of my old friends is a monk his main work is helping pilgrims cross the pyranies apearently many catholics do it every year.normaly he attends the anual piss up in glemsford suffolk we try not to talk about religion for obviese reasons drink politics religion etc

Pyrenees or even Pyrénées.

Some of my muslim colleagues do a mini Hajj. Basically they go off season as the Hajj is a "rip off". One of them told us of a muslim escort who works all summer touring the south coast with clients and earns around 1000 euros per day then goes on the Hajj around Christmas (not so hot) and buys her virginity back. I'm not sure how that works, so maybe I misunderstood something.

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6 minutes ago, Dave Bloke said:

Pyrenees or even Pyrénées.

Some of my muslim colleagues do a mini Hajj. Basically they go off season as the Hajj is a "rip off". One of them told us of a muslim escort who works all summer touring the south coast with clients and earns around 1000 euros per day then goes on the Hajj around Christmas (not so hot) and buys her virginity back. I'm not sure how that works, so maybe I misunderstood something.

tony blair had a similar idea when he became a catholic,to be fair it must be great if you realy do beleive in such stuff and saying a few hail marys etc gives you a get out of jail card for the afterlife.didnt the pope used to sell indulgences.

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Just now, stokiescum said:

tony blair had a similar idea when he became a catholic,to be fair it must be great if you realy do beleive in such stuff and saying a few hail marys etc gives you a get out of jail card for the afterlife.didnt the pope used to sell indulgences.

Not quite.  You have to be truly sorry for forgiveness.  Sorry isn't in Blair's dictionary.

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strangely i havent heard back from any of those dead muzzers/christians on how great the after life is, i assume its just so fantastic that they are far too busy to call or drop me a line on how they are getting on. Perhaps they ended up in a place where they cant send anything back, perhaps maybe hell, which i image is probably a step up from hull.

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9 hours ago, dgul said:

I don't mind pilgrimage -- it surely can be an amazing life affirming thing to do.

I don't agree with the 'just getting there is all that matters' -- it has always been the effort of the journey that matters for pilgrimage.  What value is there if anyone can so easily do it?  It is like a medieval indulgence -- there's the right idea behind it somewhere, destroyed by the implementation.

Islam is far weaker due to mechanised travel being used for pilgrimage.  They should only use methods of travelling that were available in the 7th century -- walking, or camels for the wealthy, with rowing or sailing over open stretches of water.  Hajj appears to be a box-ticking exercise.

[I'd consider it theologically acceptable if everyone had to walk from a 'medievally relevant point', just for those living in Alaska (say).  I'd suggest the  Al-Aqsa Mosque.]

Have you read the Burton account? If not, I really recommend it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BX1DQEW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

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3 hours ago, stokiescum said:

tony blair had a similar idea when he became a catholic,to be fair it must be great if you realy do beleive in such stuff and saying a few hail marys etc gives you a get out of jail card for the afterlife.didnt the pope used to sell indulgences.

We only have his word that the conversion was to catholicism rather than to some other religion - and his word counts for nothing.

Edited by twocents

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37 minutes ago, leonardratso said:

strangely i havent heard back from any of those dead muzzers/christians on how great the after life is, i assume its just so fantastic that they are far too busy to call or drop me a line on how they are getting on. Perhaps they ended up in a place where they cant send anything back, perhaps maybe hell, which i image is probably a step up from hull.

I've lost count of the number of Mormons attacking random strangers because they are infidels.

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40 minutes ago, dgul said:

I read his translation of 'Perfumed Garden' and am now too exhausted to read anything else.

Which apparently he became a master of.

I always wondered if his wife was delighted or seriously pissed off.

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